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David Requena
Hi All,

After an eight week hiatus I'm finally taking control of my time back.
It's been kind of a nightmarish period working 16x7 trying to get back in shape a "business critical" MS Access application (I agree, that's kind of a contradiction in terms) at my workplace. During this time I've been forced out of the loop except for (few) administrative tasks at the project site.

Anyway you might guess how hungry for some sensible NetRexx I am right now after such an awful VBA/COM/DCOM intoxication!

I'll be probably somewhat silent at first as I'm going over the various list archives, project JIRA's entries, etc. but please send a note to draw my attention to any open issues requiring my attention.

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rvjansen
Welcome back! I suspected something work related was going on, but Access is a worse fate than I imagined. I remember it dropping our indexes without telling after its maximum was reached. We did, however, use the jdbc-odbc bridge to program it in NetRexx, because VBA is a bridge that I would (and will) not cross.

best regards,

René.

On 1 sep. 2011, at 12:14, David Requena wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> After an eight week hiatus I'm finally taking control of my time back.
> It's been kind of a nightmarish period working 16x7 trying to get back in shape a "business critical" MS Access application (I agree, that's kind of a contradiction in terms) at my workplace. During this time I've been forced out of the loop except for (few) administrative tasks at the project site.
>
> Anyway you might guess how hungry for some sensible NetRexx I am right now after such an awful VBA/COM/DCOM intoxication!
>
> I'll be probably somewhat silent at first as I'm going over the various list archives, project JIRA's entries, etc. but please send a note to draw my attention to any open issues requiring my attention.
>
> --
> Saludos / Regards,
> David Requena
>
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On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 14:24, René Jansen <[hidden email]> wrote:
> We did, however, use the jdbc-odbc bridge, because VBA is a bridge that I would (and will) not cross.

LOL good one!

FC

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Ha, good one indeed! :-)

Access has its fair share of problems itself, as corrupting its own dbfiles on compacting or bombing arbitrarily, again corrupting dbfiles.

But the worst issue is that it allows plenty slack for people without a clue going a long way before the whole thing explodes in the face of some higher manager.

Now imagine a db app with 80+ tables, hundreds of fields each, every field repeated at several tables with no lookups at all, no indexes, no primary keys, no foreign keys... no referential integrity whatsoever.

Add 8k+ LOC subs directly typed at some form button handler, 10+ conditional nesting level, no trace of error checking (least handling), doing multiple sequential inserts/updates/deletes at several tables with no use of transactions at any point, no resource de-allocation, etc. I could go on for days.. :-(

Fortunately I won't be touching that thing any longer. It's now in a state of correctness that allows some leeway for re-implementation.

The whole incident allowed me to convince management the thing needs to be rebuilt from the ground up, this time with OOo base as a front-end and some real DBMS at the back-end (probably hsql at start). Everything bound by java; and I can tell you this java is gonna be actually NetRexx!

But that'll be after my hard won two extra weeks leave :-)

-
Saludos / Kind regards,
David Requena

NOTE: The opinions expressed here represent the opinions
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On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 14:24, René Jansen <[hidden email]> wrote:
> We did, however, use the jdbc-odbc bridge, because VBA is a bridge that I would (and will) not cross.

LOL good one!

FC

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That sounds like a nightmare indeed. We have the expression of people 'knowing just enough to be dangerous'. Yes, JVM code is the way forward. I had quite a challenge today in buidling a NetRexx translator in a completely firewalled environment; no jars downloadble, .jar and .class erased from email attachments - so put the java source of 3.01 in an email, then used the javac from a websphere toolkit installation to compile it. I forgot the message properties file, but it works, and the whole .java compilation is independent of the runtime package. We need to keep it that way also.

Got an interesting error by the way - these office machines do have a jre, which is Sun's. When the compiler was built, I tested it out and got the following error:

Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: sun/tools/util/Comman
dLine
        at sun.tools.javac.Main.compile(Main.java:250)
        at org.netrexx.process.RxTranslator.compile(RxTranslator.java:618)
        at org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC.process(NetRexxC.java:239)
        at org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC.main2(NetRexxC.java:165)
        at org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC.main2(NetRexxC.java:154)
        at org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC.main2(NetRexxC.java:152)
        at org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC.main(NetRexxC.java:91)
Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: sun.tools.util.CommandLine
        at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(Unknown Source)
        at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
        at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)
        at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
        at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
        at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
        ... 7 more

Turns out that I was using the java from the Sun runtime to start the processor; with -nocompile -keepasjava and javac afterwards, *with the same path and classpath settings*, there was no problem. Also turns out that IBM;s tools.jar from J9 1.5 does not have this class in it, but when the processor is started with the corresponding IBM J9 java.exe, it gives this error. I think we need a hard look at the deprecated call that starts the java compiler main - what you discussed in your kenai issue Netrexx-4 comment today.


Note that Janino would not have been a solution for the firewall problem, but probably for the runtime/compiler classes mismatch problem.

best regards,

René.

On 1 sep. 2011, at 23:42, David Requena wrote:

Ha, good one indeed! :-)

Access has its fair share of problems itself, as corrupting its own dbfiles on compacting or bombing arbitrarily, again corrupting dbfiles.

But the worst issue is that it allows plenty slack for people without a clue going a long way before the whole thing explodes in the face of some higher manager.

Now imagine a db app with 80+ tables, hundreds of fields each, every field repeated at several tables with no lookups at all, no indexes, no primary keys, no foreign keys... no referential integrity whatsoever.

Add 8k+ LOC subs directly typed at some form button handler, 10+ conditional nesting level, no trace of error checking (least handling), doing multiple sequential inserts/updates/deletes at several tables with no use of transactions at any point, no resource de-allocation, etc. I could go on for days.. :-(

Fortunately I won't be touching that thing any longer. It's now in a state of correctness that allows some leeway for re-implementation.

The whole incident allowed me to convince management the thing needs to be rebuilt from the ground up, this time with OOo base as a front-end and some real DBMS at the back-end (probably hsql at start). Everything bound by java; and I can tell you this java is gonna be actually NetRexx!

But that'll be after my hard won two extra weeks leave :-)

-
Saludos / Kind regards,
David Requena

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On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 14:24, René Jansen <[hidden email]> wrote:
We did, however, use the jdbc-odbc bridge, because VBA is a bridge that I would (and will) not cross.

LOL good one!

FC

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On 2 sep. 2011, at 00:31, René Jansen wrote:

 but when the processor is started with the corresponding IBM J9 java.exe, it gives this error. 

 but when the processor is started with the corresponding IBM J9 java.exe, it gives NO error. 


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I fully agree. If I'm not terribly mistaken sun.tools.javac.Main was undocumented territory at the time of NetRexx 1.00. Nowadays it remains out of the JLS and standard java API, hence the sun.tools... packaging. \ideally we should move towards a more generic solution maybe along the lines of Apache's Java Compiler Interface which allows for a variety of compilers on implementing products.


2011/9/2 René Jansen <[hidden email]>
That sounds like a nightmare indeed. We have the expression of people 'knowing just enough to be dangerous'. Yes, JVM code is the way forward. I had quite a challenge today in buidling a NetRexx translator in a completely firewalled environment; no jars downloadble, .jar and .class erased from email attachments - so put the java source of 3.01 in an email, then used the javac from a websphere toolkit installation to compile it. I forgot the message properties file, but it works, and the whole .java compilation is independent of the runtime package. We need to keep it that way also.

Got an interesting error by the way - these office machines do have a jre, which is Sun's. When the compiler was built, I tested it out and got the following error:

Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: sun/tools/util/Comman
dLine
        at sun.tools.javac.Main.compile(Main.java:250)
        at org.netrexx.process.RxTranslator.compile(RxTranslator.java:618)
        at org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC.process(NetRexxC.java:239)
        at org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC.main2(NetRexxC.java:165)
        at org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC.main2(NetRexxC.java:154)
        at org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC.main2(NetRexxC.java:152)
        at org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC.main(NetRexxC.java:91)
Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: sun.tools.util.CommandLine
        at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(Unknown Source)
        at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
        at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)
        at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
        at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
        at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
        ... 7 more

Turns out that I was using the java from the Sun runtime to start the processor; with -nocompile -keepasjava and javac afterwards, *with the same path and classpath settings*, there was no problem. Also turns out that IBM;s tools.jar from J9 1.5 does not have this class in it, but when the processor is started with the corresponding IBM J9 java.exe, it gives this error. I think we need a hard look at the deprecated call that starts the java compiler main - what you discussed in your kenai issue Netrexx-4 comment today.


Note that Janino would not have been a solution for the firewall problem, but probably for the runtime/compiler classes mismatch problem.

best regards,

René.

On 1 sep. 2011, at 23:42, David Requena wrote:

Ha, good one indeed! :-)

Access has its fair share of problems itself, as corrupting its own dbfiles on compacting or bombing arbitrarily, again corrupting dbfiles.

But the worst issue is that it allows plenty slack for people without a clue going a long way before the whole thing explodes in the face of some higher manager.

Now imagine a db app with 80+ tables, hundreds of fields each, every field repeated at several tables with no lookups at all, no indexes, no primary keys, no foreign keys... no referential integrity whatsoever.

Add 8k+ LOC subs directly typed at some form button handler, 10+ conditional nesting level, no trace of error checking (least handling), doing multiple sequential inserts/updates/deletes at several tables with no use of transactions at any point, no resource de-allocation, etc. I could go on for days.. :-(

Fortunately I won't be touching that thing any longer. It's now in a state of correctness that allows some leeway for re-implementation.

The whole incident allowed me to convince management the thing needs to be rebuilt from the ground up, this time with OOo base as a front-end and some real DBMS at the back-end (probably hsql at start). Everything bound by java; and I can tell you this java is gonna be actually NetRexx!

But that'll be after my hard won two extra weeks leave :-)

-
Saludos / Kind regards,
David Requena

NOTE: The opinions expressed here represent the opinions
of the authors and do not necessarily represent the opinions
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On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 14:24, René Jansen <[hidden email]> wrote:
We did, however, use the jdbc-odbc bridge, because VBA is a bridge that I would (and will) not cross.

LOL good one!

FC

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David Requena
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Well, that wouldn't be surprising, I'd say? The non standard Sun's javac uses some CommandLine class which the non standard J9's javac does not.
Now, I'm intrigued... Does J9 actually include a sun.tools.javac.Main class?

OTH janino would have also required a separate java compilation step, wouldn't it?


2011/9/2 René Jansen <[hidden email]>

On 2 sep. 2011, at 00:31, René Jansen wrote:

 but when the processor is started with the corresponding IBM J9 java.exe, it gives this error. 

 but when the processor is started with the corresponding IBM J9 java.exe, it gives NO error. 


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ThSITC
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Good Luck from me, as well!

By the way: Has anybody of you the best URL for Visual Basic
Documentation (Refererence Manual, Please?)


Silly as I am: I want to translate VISUAL BASIC *to* Rexx (any dialect)

end of advertisement.

Massa Thomas (from Vienna, you already do know, I do hope ;-))
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Am 01.09.2011 20:16, schrieb Fernando Cassia:

> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 14:24, René Jansen<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>> We did, however, use the jdbc-odbc bridge, because VBA is a bridge that I would (and will) not cross.
> LOL good one!
>
> FC
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ThSITC
Sorry that I did NOT say this the first Time:

*I* do want to translate +any* COMPUter LANguage; AND ,

aNy human LANGUAGE TO EACH OTHER!

PLEASE.

Do Join Projects:

LOGOS (on www.kenai.com)    ... for NATURAL Language translation

*and*

PP (on www.kenai.com)   .... for COMPUTER Langauage(s) tranlation

when interested at those TOPIC's at all ... ??? !!!

*I* will and do need your help!

*I* am only 1 human beeing!

Compendi?
Capsisci?

Massa Thomas.
=??????????????????????????==============================


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Am 02.09.2011 07:04, schrieb Thomas Schneider:

> Good Luck from me, as well!
>
> By the way: Has anybody of you the best URL for Visual Basic
> Documentation (Refererence Manual, Please?)
>
>
> Silly as I am: I want to translate VISUAL BASIC *to* Rexx (any dialect)
>
> end of advertisement.
>
> Massa Thomas (from Vienna, you already do know, I do hope ;-))
> =========================================================
> Am 01.09.2011 20:16, schrieb Fernando Cassia:
>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 14:24, René Jansen<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>> We did, however, use the jdbc-odbc bridge, because VBA is a bridge
>>> that I would (and will) not cross.
>> LOL good one!
>>
>> FC
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David Requena
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Thomas,

Lookup msdn.com

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Good Luck from me, as well!

By the way: Has anybody of you the best URL for Visual Basic
Documentation (Refererence Manual, Please?)


Silly as I am: I want to translate VISUAL BASIC *to* Rexx (any dialect)

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Am 01.09.2011 20:16, schrieb Fernando Cassia:

> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 14:24, René Jansen<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>> We did, however, use the jdbc-odbc bridge, because VBA is a bridge that I would (and will) not cross.
> LOL good one!
>
> FC
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On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 02:04, Thomas Schneider
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>
> Silly as I am: I want to translate VISUAL BASIC *to* Rexx (any dialect)
>
> end of advertisement.

You are *NOT* I repeat *NOT* silly. (Man, this Thomas writing style is
contagious)

Sun had its own VisualBasic to Java translator dubbed "Project
Semplice" (Google for that). Google snapped two of its key developers
before Sun was able to complete it (it was a 3-man team) and the whole
idea was saddly dropped.

I've been trying to convince Sun (and now Oracle) that completing the
project would be great for their business, as there's still tons of
Visual Basic programmers and legacy code out there.

The excuse I got at the time was that it'd get them in intellectual
property trouble with MSFT, which sounds like total BS to me. Sun (now
Oracle) has its own Basic dialect intellectual property in its IP
arsenal, namely "OO Basic" (OpenOffice Basic, formerly StarOffice
basic), along with Oracle's own VB-like language Oracle PowerObjects.

Not to mention IBM's own VisualAge for Basic, another great product
inexplicably killed... but which used its own runtime rather than
converto to Java as Sun's Project Semplice did.

(BtW: Project Semplice was shown working at JavaOne 2006 I believe,
that shows how far it was near release).

In any case, someone beat you to your idea:

www.jabaco.org

I've tried emailing the author suggesting he should either open source
his IDE (like NetRexx) or sell his working project to ORCL. He didn't
even reply with a "thank you" notice. Strange fellow.

FC
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Just looked; IBM Java 1.5 tools.jar contains a sun.tools.javac.Main.  Interestingly, in IBM's Java 1.6 there's also a sun.tools.util.CommandLine in the tools.jar file.  It looks like they put it back.

Alan.

On 1 September 2011 16:06, David Requena <[hidden email]> wrote:
Well, that wouldn't be surprising, I'd say? The non standard Sun's javac uses some CommandLine class which the non standard J9's javac does not.
Now, I'm intrigued... Does J9 actually include a sun.tools.javac.Main class?




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So that's why it works! Same package name and API. Thanks for confirming this Alan.

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ThSITC
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Hi David,
    your link to www.msdn.com for VISUAL BASIC and also C Sharp
Reference info's have been *very useful*, for me *Ignorant* ;-)

    I did now visit www.msdn.com, and printed out the reference... :-(

OOOOOHHHHHH:

Would they be as clear as MFC is with nrl3.pdf  !!

Any volunteers to help in translating Visual Basic and/or C# to Rexx
(any dialect) ??

The first step will be to fillup the PARSER control tables, as well as
the BUILTIN functions/methods (with the proper TRANSFORMATION RULES
*to* NetRexx)

I will probably setup a SUB-Project for this at Project PP there at KENAI,
so that I'm not bothering this ibm-netrexx list too much...

Meanwhile, please do send me a personal mail when interested to help,
please :-)

Massa Thomas ;-)
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Am 03.09.2011 09:36, schrieb Thomas Schneider:

> Thanks, David, will do ...
> Thomas.
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> Am 02.09.2011 11:46, schrieb David Requena:
>> Thomas,
>>
>> Lookup msdn.com
>>
>> -
>> Saludos / Kind regards,
>> David Requena
>>
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>> To: IBM Netrexx<[hidden email]>
>> Reply-To: [hidden email],
>>          IBM Netrexx<[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] Back on track
>>
>> Good Luck from me, as well!
>>
>> By the way: Has anybody of you the best URL for Visual Basic
>> Documentation (Refererence Manual, Please?)
>>
>>
>> Silly as I am: I want to translate VISUAL BASIC *to* Rexx (any dialect)
>>
>> end of advertisement.
>>
>> Massa Thomas (from Vienna, you already do know, I do hope ;-))
>> =========================================================
>> Am 01.09.2011 20:16, schrieb Fernando Cassia:
>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 14:24, René Jansen<[hidden email]>   wrote:
>>>> We did, however, use the jdbc-odbc bridge, because VBA is a bridge
>>>> that I would (and will) not cross.
>>> LOL good one!
>>>
>>> FC
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>
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David Requena
Glad it was what you were looking for.
At the moment I'm quite busy with all things. Also a bit fed up with MS VB family products.

-
Saludos / Kind regards,
David Requena

NOTE: The opinions expressed here represent the opinions
of the authors and do not necessarily represent the opinions
of those who hold other opinions.

-----Original Message-----
From: Thomas Schneider <[hidden email]>
Sender: [hidden email]
Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2011 12:40:18
To: IBM Netrexx<[hidden email]>
Reply-To: [hidden email],
        IBM Netrexx <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] Back on track

Hi David,
    your link to www.msdn.com for VISUAL BASIC and also C Sharp
Reference info's have been *very useful*, for me *Ignorant* ;-)

    I did now visit www.msdn.com, and printed out the reference... :-(

OOOOOHHHHHH:

Would they be as clear as MFC is with nrl3.pdf  !!

Any volunteers to help in translating Visual Basic and/or C# to Rexx
(any dialect) ??

The first step will be to fillup the PARSER control tables, as well as
the BUILTIN functions/methods (with the proper TRANSFORMATION RULES
*to* NetRexx)

I will probably setup a SUB-Project for this at Project PP there at KENAI,
so that I'm not bothering this ibm-netrexx list too much...

Meanwhile, please do send me a personal mail when interested to help,
please :-)

Massa Thomas ;-)
========================================================

Am 03.09.2011 09:36, schrieb Thomas Schneider:

> Thanks, David, will do ...
> Thomas.
> ===========================================
> Am 02.09.2011 11:46, schrieb David Requena:
>> Thomas,
>>
>> Lookup msdn.com
>>
>> -
>> Saludos / Kind regards,
>> David Requena
>>
>> NOTE: The opinions expressed here represent the opinions
>> of the authors and do not necessarily represent the opinions
>> of those who hold other opinions.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Thomas Schneider<[hidden email]>
>> Sender: [hidden email]
>> Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2011 07:04:29
>> To: IBM Netrexx<[hidden email]>
>> Reply-To: [hidden email],
>>          IBM Netrexx<[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] Back on track
>>
>> Good Luck from me, as well!
>>
>> By the way: Has anybody of you the best URL for Visual Basic
>> Documentation (Refererence Manual, Please?)
>>
>>
>> Silly as I am: I want to translate VISUAL BASIC *to* Rexx (any dialect)
>>
>> end of advertisement.
>>
>> Massa Thomas (from Vienna, you already do know, I do hope ;-))
>> =========================================================
>> Am 01.09.2011 20:16, schrieb Fernando Cassia:
>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 14:24, René Jansen<[hidden email]>   wrote:
>>>> We did, however, use the jdbc-odbc bridge, because VBA is a bridge
>>>> that I would (and will) not cross.
>>> LOL good one!
>>>
>>> FC
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Ibm-netrexx mailing list
>>> [hidden email]
>>> Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>


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ThSITC
Hello David, my friend,

    1.) let us take NetRexxC 3.01 coming out
    2.) let us take a NetRexxC 3.01 NetRexxDE coming out ...
    3.) Let us collect some feedback (from this and/or other groups)

I do (personally) think that:

* releasing a NetRexxC 3.01 compatible version of both NetRexxScript
(Kermit Kiser's job), and NetRexxDE (your job, sorry I cannot help)
is currently of the utmost importance.

* all other stuff (as my one) *can wait*:

-- Nobody want's it
-- Noboy need's it
-- Nobody buy#S IT

Hence: So what ?

I'm still alive anyway.....

Thomas.

PS: By the way, I'mcurrently implementing Natural Parsing (Software AG),
and ABAL Parsing (www.prologue.fr) on my PP Machine .... :-)

What do you think when I will make my first Sale????

Comments more than welcome .... :-)


===================================================

Am 03.09.2011 15:41, schrieb David Requena:

> Glad it was what you were looking for.
> At the moment I'm quite busy with all things. Also a bit fed up with MS VB family products.
>
> -
> Saludos / Kind regards,
> David Requena
>
> NOTE: The opinions expressed here represent the opinions
> of the authors and do not necessarily represent the opinions
> of those who hold other opinions.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Schneider<[hidden email]>
> Sender: [hidden email]
> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2011 12:40:18
> To: IBM Netrexx<[hidden email]>
> Reply-To: [hidden email],
>          IBM Netrexx<[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] Back on track
>
> Hi David,
>      your link to www.msdn.com for VISUAL BASIC and also C Sharp
> Reference info's have been *very useful*, for me *Ignorant* ;-)
>
>      I did now visit www.msdn.com, and printed out the reference... :-(
>
> OOOOOHHHHHH:
>
> Would they be as clear as MFC is with nrl3.pdf  !!
>
> Any volunteers to help in translating Visual Basic and/or C# to Rexx
> (any dialect) ??
>
> The first step will be to fillup the PARSER control tables, as well as
> the BUILTIN functions/methods (with the proper TRANSFORMATION RULES
> *to* NetRexx)
>
> I will probably setup a SUB-Project for this at Project PP there at KENAI,
> so that I'm not bothering this ibm-netrexx list too much...
>
> Meanwhile, please do send me a personal mail when interested to help,
> please :-)
>
> Massa Thomas ;-)
> ========================================================
>
> Am 03.09.2011 09:36, schrieb Thomas Schneider:
>> Thanks, David, will do ...
>> Thomas.
>> ===========================================
>> Am 02.09.2011 11:46, schrieb David Requena:
>>> Thomas,
>>>
>>> Lookup msdn.com
>>>
>>> -
>>> Saludos / Kind regards,
>>> David Requena
>>>
>>> NOTE: The opinions expressed here represent the opinions
>>> of the authors and do not necessarily represent the opinions
>>> of those who hold other opinions.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Thomas Schneider<[hidden email]>
>>> Sender: [hidden email]
>>> Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2011 07:04:29
>>> To: IBM Netrexx<[hidden email]>
>>> Reply-To: [hidden email],
>>>           IBM Netrexx<[hidden email]>
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] Back on track
>>>
>>> Good Luck from me, as well!
>>>
>>> By the way: Has anybody of you the best URL for Visual Basic
>>> Documentation (Refererence Manual, Please?)
>>>
>>>
>>> Silly as I am: I want to translate VISUAL BASIC *to* Rexx (any dialect)
>>>
>>> end of advertisement.
>>>
>>> Massa Thomas (from Vienna, you already do know, I do hope ;-))
>>> =========================================================
>>> Am 01.09.2011 20:16, schrieb Fernando Cassia:
>>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 14:24, René Jansen<[hidden email]>    wrote:
>>>>> We did, however, use the jdbc-odbc bridge, because VBA is a bridge
>>>>> that I would (and will) not cross.
>>>> LOL good one!
>>>>
>>>> FC
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Ibm-netrexx mailing list
>>>> [hidden email]
>>>> Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>


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Kermit Kiser
Thomas --

I test every change to NetRexxC extensively with both NetRexxDE and
NetRexxScript. I personally guarantee you that the current versions are
compatible with NetRexxC 3.01RC.

If you want to verify that yourself, you can download my development
test builds from here:

http://kenai.com/projects/netrexx-plus/downloads

-- Kermit


On 9/3/2011 7:15 AM, Thomas Schneider wrote:

> Hello David, my friend,
>
>    1.) let us take NetRexxC 3.01 coming out
>    2.) let us take a NetRexxC 3.01 NetRexxDE coming out ...
>    3.) Let us collect some feedback (from this and/or other groups)
>
> I do (personally) think that:
>
> * releasing a NetRexxC 3.01 compatible version of both NetRexxScript
> (Kermit Kiser's job), and NetRexxDE (your job, sorry I cannot help)
> is currently of the utmost importance.
>
> * all other stuff (as my one) *can wait*:
>
> -- Nobody want's it
> -- Noboy need's it
> -- Nobody buy#S IT
>
> Hence: So what ?
>
> I'm still alive anyway.....
>
> Thomas.
>
> PS: By the way, I'mcurrently implementing Natural Parsing (Software AG),
> and ABAL Parsing (www.prologue.fr) on my PP Machine .... :-)
>
> What do you think when I will make my first Sale????
>
> Comments more than welcome .... :-)
>
>
> ===================================================
>
> Am 03.09.2011 15:41, schrieb David Requena:
>> Glad it was what you were looking for.
>> At the moment I'm quite busy with all things. Also a bit fed up with
>> MS VB family products.
>>
>> -
>> Saludos / Kind regards,
>> David Requena
>>
>> NOTE: The opinions expressed here represent the opinions
>> of the authors and do not necessarily represent the opinions
>> of those who hold other opinions.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Thomas Schneider<[hidden email]>
>> Sender: [hidden email]
>> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2011 12:40:18
>> To: IBM Netrexx<[hidden email]>
>> Reply-To: [hidden email],
>>          IBM Netrexx<[hidden email]>
>> Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] Back on track
>>
>> Hi David,
>>      your link to www.msdn.com for VISUAL BASIC and also C Sharp
>> Reference info's have been *very useful*, for me *Ignorant* ;-)
>>
>>      I did now visit www.msdn.com, and printed out the reference... :-(
>>
>> OOOOOHHHHHH:
>>
>> Would they be as clear as MFC is with nrl3.pdf  !!
>>
>> Any volunteers to help in translating Visual Basic and/or C# to Rexx
>> (any dialect) ??
>>
>> The first step will be to fillup the PARSER control tables, as well as
>> the BUILTIN functions/methods (with the proper TRANSFORMATION RULES
>> *to* NetRexx)
>>
>> I will probably setup a SUB-Project for this at Project PP there at
>> KENAI,
>> so that I'm not bothering this ibm-netrexx list too much...
>>
>> Meanwhile, please do send me a personal mail when interested to help,
>> please :-)
>>
>> Massa Thomas ;-)
>> ========================================================
>>
>> Am 03.09.2011 09:36, schrieb Thomas Schneider:
>>> Thanks, David, will do ...
>>> Thomas.
>>> ===========================================
>>> Am 02.09.2011 11:46, schrieb David Requena:
>>>> Thomas,
>>>>
>>>> Lookup msdn.com
>>>>
>>>> -
>>>> Saludos / Kind regards,
>>>> David Requena
>>>>
>>>> NOTE: The opinions expressed here represent the opinions
>>>> of the authors and do not necessarily represent the opinions
>>>> of those who hold other opinions.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Thomas Schneider<[hidden email]>
>>>> Sender: [hidden email]
>>>> Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2011 07:04:29
>>>> To: IBM Netrexx<[hidden email]>
>>>> Reply-To: [hidden email],
>>>>           IBM Netrexx<[hidden email]>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] Back on track
>>>>
>>>> Good Luck from me, as well!
>>>>
>>>> By the way: Has anybody of you the best URL for Visual Basic
>>>> Documentation (Refererence Manual, Please?)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Silly as I am: I want to translate VISUAL BASIC *to* Rexx (any
>>>> dialect)
>>>>
>>>> end of advertisement.
>>>>
>>>> Massa Thomas (from Vienna, you already do know, I do hope ;-))
>>>> =========================================================
>>>> Am 01.09.2011 20:16, schrieb Fernando Cassia:
>>>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 14:24, René Jansen<[hidden email]>    
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> We did, however, use the jdbc-odbc bridge, because VBA is a bridge
>>>>>> that I would (and will) not cross.
>>>>> LOL good one!
>>>>>
>>>>> FC
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Ibm-netrexx mailing list
>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>> Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

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ThSITC
Hi Kermit,

thanks for prompt response.

Just downloaded your NetRexxC PLUS versions from your sight.

However, I will have to go a'sleep for a while ;-)

Sorry nobody of us is a ROBOTER.

Will try tomorrow.....

Greetings, and thanks for the URL ... :-)

Thomas.
===========================================================

Am 03.09.2011 20:39, schrieb Kermit Kiser:

> Thomas --
>
> I test every change to NetRexxC extensively with both NetRexxDE and
> NetRexxScript. I personally guarantee you that the current versions
> are compatible with NetRexxC 3.01RC.
>
> If you want to verify that yourself, you can download my development
> test builds from here:
>
> http://kenai.com/projects/netrexx-plus/downloads
>
> -- Kermit
>
>
> On 9/3/2011 7:15 AM, Thomas Schneider wrote:
>> Hello David, my friend,
>>
>>    1.) let us take NetRexxC 3.01 coming out
>>    2.) let us take a NetRexxC 3.01 NetRexxDE coming out ...
>>    3.) Let us collect some feedback (from this and/or other groups)
>>
>> I do (personally) think that:
>>
>> * releasing a NetRexxC 3.01 compatible version of both NetRexxScript
>> (Kermit Kiser's job), and NetRexxDE (your job, sorry I cannot help)
>> is currently of the utmost importance.
>>
>> * all other stuff (as my one) *can wait*:
>>
>> -- Nobody want's it
>> -- Noboy need's it
>> -- Nobody buy#S IT
>>
>> Hence: So what ?
>>
>> I'm still alive anyway.....
>>
>> Thomas.
>>
>> PS: By the way, I'mcurrently implementing Natural Parsing (Software AG),
>> and ABAL Parsing (www.prologue.fr) on my PP Machine .... :-)
>>
>> What do you think when I will make my first Sale????
>>
>> Comments more than welcome .... :-)
>>
>>
>> ===================================================
>>
>> Am 03.09.2011 15:41, schrieb David Requena:
>>> Glad it was what you were looking for.
>>> At the moment I'm quite busy with all things. Also a bit fed up with
>>> MS VB family products.
>>>
>>> -
>>> Saludos / Kind regards,
>>> David Requena
>>>
>>> NOTE: The opinions expressed here represent the opinions
>>> of the authors and do not necessarily represent the opinions
>>> of those who hold other opinions.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Thomas Schneider<[hidden email]>
>>> Sender: [hidden email]
>>> Date: Sat, 03 Sep 2011 12:40:18
>>> To: IBM Netrexx<[hidden email]>
>>> Reply-To: [hidden email],
>>>          IBM Netrexx<[hidden email]>
>>> Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] Back on track
>>>
>>> Hi David,
>>>      your link to www.msdn.com for VISUAL BASIC and also C Sharp
>>> Reference info's have been *very useful*, for me *Ignorant* ;-)
>>>
>>>      I did now visit www.msdn.com, and printed out the reference... :-(
>>>
>>> OOOOOHHHHHH:
>>>
>>> Would they be as clear as MFC is with nrl3.pdf  !!
>>>
>>> Any volunteers to help in translating Visual Basic and/or C# to Rexx
>>> (any dialect) ??
>>>
>>> The first step will be to fillup the PARSER control tables, as well as
>>> the BUILTIN functions/methods (with the proper TRANSFORMATION RULES
>>> *to* NetRexx)
>>>
>>> I will probably setup a SUB-Project for this at Project PP there at
>>> KENAI,
>>> so that I'm not bothering this ibm-netrexx list too much...
>>>
>>> Meanwhile, please do send me a personal mail when interested to help,
>>> please :-)
>>>
>>> Massa Thomas ;-)
>>> ========================================================
>>>
>>> Am 03.09.2011 09:36, schrieb Thomas Schneider:
>>>> Thanks, David, will do ...
>>>> Thomas.
>>>> ===========================================
>>>> Am 02.09.2011 11:46, schrieb David Requena:
>>>>> Thomas,
>>>>>
>>>>> Lookup msdn.com
>>>>>
>>>>> -
>>>>> Saludos / Kind regards,
>>>>> David Requena
>>>>>
>>>>> NOTE: The opinions expressed here represent the opinions
>>>>> of the authors and do not necessarily represent the opinions
>>>>> of those who hold other opinions.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Thomas Schneider<[hidden email]>
>>>>> Sender: [hidden email]
>>>>> Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2011 07:04:29
>>>>> To: IBM Netrexx<[hidden email]>
>>>>> Reply-To: [hidden email],
>>>>>           IBM Netrexx<[hidden email]>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] Back on track
>>>>>
>>>>> Good Luck from me, as well!
>>>>>
>>>>> By the way: Has anybody of you the best URL for Visual Basic
>>>>> Documentation (Refererence Manual, Please?)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Silly as I am: I want to translate VISUAL BASIC *to* Rexx (any
>>>>> dialect)
>>>>>
>>>>> end of advertisement.
>>>>>
>>>>> Massa Thomas (from Vienna, you already do know, I do hope ;-))
>>>>> =========================================================
>>>>> Am 01.09.2011 20:16, schrieb Fernando Cassia:
>>>>>> On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 14:24, René Jansen<[hidden email]>    
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> We did, however, use the jdbc-odbc bridge, because VBA is a bridge
>>>>>>> that I would (and will) not cross.
>>>>>> LOL good one!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> FC
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Ibm-netrexx mailing list
>>>>>> [hidden email]
>>>>>> Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>


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