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Kermit Kiser

Cell phone programming

You may have noticed that there were a number of new OS/programming
environments announced this week at the Mobile World Congress in
Barcelona. They included Windows Phone 7, MeeGo, Bada, Adobe Air and
Flash 10.1, Symbian 3, WAC, and I don't know what else. Most of these
operating systems or environments are designed to run on not just phones
but e-books and even netbooks or larger devices. Who knows how this
stuff will shake out, but all this intense competition makes it clear
that the big corporations think that the largest growth market for
computing hardware and associated application software is mobile devices
and they are desperate to gain control of at least a piece of the pie.

As you can guess, my reason in bringing this up is because I am
interested in the question of whether or not Rexx/ooRexx/NetRexx can be
used in these environments to develop applications and if the Rexx
community is interested and capable of extending support for our
languages into new environments. Some of these new environments will
probably fail to mature but some may become pervasive. It may not be
long until some of these "pocket computers" (A new meaning for "PC"?)
become as powerful as the 3 year old 2GHz dual core laptop that I use
for programming now! Does anyone have any ideas or opinions on this
development?

On the Android front, I am now developing a "Widget" application and
have therefore updated the Android NetRexx IDE prototype to generate
Widget projects as well as Activity projects. (Android apps come in two
primary flavors - activities are fullscreen apps that open by touching
an icon and widgets own a small window on the "desktop" that is always
active.) In fact the "new_project" script which creates basic
application frameworks with working templates can build a sample NetRexx
project which will compile and install on an Android device as both a
Widget and an Activity application! It is a dual "Hello World"
application all without writing a single line of code! I have not heard
of anyone else doing Android development in NetRexx yet, but I zipped
the IDE and uploaded it anyway:

http://kermitkiser.com/AndRexx

Just in case you are interested, here is an update on the first NetRexx
Android application (OneTouch Timer Free) that I published on the Google
Market - I have published one enhancement upgrade (allowing a timer and
a stopwatch to run simultaneously) and two bug fix upgrades. Comments
indicated that there is a split in philosophy among users over whether a
timer should start when the time is selected or only after pressing a
Start button. As a result, I forked the application into a "TwoTouch
Timer Free" version as a "social experiment" a couple of days ago.
Current stats from Google indicate that the first version has a little
over 3000 users after three weeks while the two day old "TwoTouch"
version has jumped to almost 600 users and looks like it may quickly
overtake the first as people switch over. One user has commented that he
would pay for a slightly more sophisticated version of this application
but it remains to be seen if that would be profitable - I have read that
most commercially successful cell applications are games!

-- Kermit

David Requena

Cell phone programming

Kermit,

This is in my view a very interesting area. If not for another reason,
mobile device development seems to be one of the few domains in which
small companies or individual developers still hold a fair opportunity
for commercial success. Device app stores are also helping a lot in this
regard.

I spent once some time researching applicability of NetRexx on J2ME. Had
no good results but then this was on CLCD 1.0's prime time. Now J2ME
seems to be on its way down.

I'm now playing with the idea of a similar effort but on the BlackBerry
platform. This'll be definitely after some further development on
NetRexxDE though.

---
Saludos / Kind regards.
David Requena

El 17/02/2010 1:59, Kermit Kiser escribi?:

> You may have noticed that there were a number of new OS/programming
> environments announced this week at the Mobile World Congress in
> Barcelona. They included Windows Phone 7, MeeGo, Bada, Adobe Air and
> Flash 10.1, Symbian 3, WAC, and I don't know what else. Most of these
> operating systems or environments are designed to run on not just
> phones but e-books and even netbooks or larger devices. Who knows how
> this stuff will shake out, but all this intense competition makes it
> clear that the big corporations think that the largest growth market
> for computing hardware and associated application software is mobile
> devices and they are desperate to gain control of at least a piece of
> the pie.
>
> As you can guess, my reason in bringing this up is because I am
> interested in the question of whether or not Rexx/ooRexx/NetRexx can
> be used in these environments to develop applications and if the Rexx
> community is interested and capable of extending support for our
> languages into new environments. Some of these new environments will
> probably fail to mature but some may become pervasive. It may not be
> long until some of these "pocket computers" (A new meaning for "PC"?)
> become as powerful as the 3 year old 2GHz dual core laptop that I use
> for programming now! Does anyone have any ideas or opinions on this
> development?
>
> On the Android front, I am now developing a "Widget" application and
> have therefore updated the Android NetRexx IDE prototype to generate
> Widget projects as well as Activity projects. (Android apps come in
> two primary flavors - activities are fullscreen apps that open by
> touching an icon and widgets own a small window on the "desktop" that
> is always active.) In fact the "new_project" script which creates
> basic application frameworks with working templates can build a sample
> NetRexx project which will compile and install on an Android device as
> both a Widget and an Activity application! It is a dual "Hello World"
> application all without writing a single line of code! I have not
> heard of anyone else doing Android development in NetRexx yet, but I
> zipped the IDE and uploaded it anyway:
>
> http://kermitkiser.com/AndRexx
>
> Just in case you are interested, here is an update on the first
> NetRexx Android application (OneTouch Timer Free) that I published on
> the Google Market - I have published one enhancement upgrade (allowing
> a timer and a stopwatch to run simultaneously) and two bug fix
> upgrades. Comments indicated that there is a split in philosophy among
> users over whether a timer should start when the time is selected or
> only after pressing a Start button. As a result, I forked the
> application into a "TwoTouch Timer Free" version as a "social
> experiment" a couple of days ago. Current stats from Google indicate
> that the first version has a little over 3000 users after three weeks
> while the two day old "TwoTouch" version has jumped to almost 600
> users and looks like it may quickly overtake the first as people
> switch over. One user has commented that he would pay for a slightly
> more sophisticated version of this application but it remains to be
> seen if that would be profitable - I have read that most commercially
> successful cell applications are games!
>
> -- Kermit
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ibm-netrexx mailing list
> [hidden email]
>

Michael Dag

Cell phone programming

Hi All,
I am currently not interested in cell phone programming,
but am certainly interested in seeing some good NetRexx samples,
I am sure if some good NetRexx samples are out there which can be
run on android or blackberry, then NetRexx as a language might attract
some new attention and gain some new followers!

Regards,
Michael
www.mqsystems.com

-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David Requena
Sent: woensdag 17 februari 2010 13:40
To: IBM Netrexx
Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] Cell phone programming

Kermit,

This is in my view a very interesting area. If not for another reason,
mobile device development seems to be one of the few domains in which small
companies or individual developers still hold a fair opportunity for
commercial success. Device app stores are also helping a lot in this regard.

I spent once some time researching applicability of NetRexx on J2ME. Had no
good results but then this was on CLCD 1.0's prime time. Now J2ME seems to
be on its way down.

I'm now playing with the idea of a similar effort but on the BlackBerry
platform. This'll be definitely after some further development on NetRexxDE
though.

---
Saludos / Kind regards.
David Requena

El 17/02/2010 1:59, Kermit Kiser escribi?:

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Fernando Cassia-2

Cell phone programming

In reply to this post by Kermit Kiser

I keep on this list for sentimental reasons, but I have lost faith in IBM a
long long time ago.

The were the developers of a superb Java VM implementation for PalmOS. What
did they do? yank the license to Palm Inc. at the time they released the
Centro smartphone, which I have.

So they continued development of the IBM J9 Java VM on Windows Mobile only,
helping its most powerful competitor in the process instead of helping the
underdog (Palm).

I?d bet on Java, it?s the least common denominator for smartphones, Java
Mobile Edition (java ME aka Phone ME) is open source
http://www.sun.com/software/opensource/java/faq.jsp
https://phoneme.dev.java.net/
http://download.java.net/mobileembedded/developerdays/2009/TS-18-v1.pdf

and runs on thousands of phones, Blu-Ray devices, the Amazon.com Kindle
ebook reader, and as soon as this year also on TV sets throughout South
America (the ISDB-T International standard -selected by Brazil, Argentina,
Chile, Venezuela, and Peru- has Java as part of its interactivity firmware
specification. Also open source).

Sun Microsystems And SBTVD Forum To Develop Open-Source Java Solution For
Brazil's Digital TV System
http://www.sun.com/aboutsun/pr/2008-03/sunflash.20080304.2.xml

The train has long left the station for IBM...
FC

On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:59 PM, Kermit Kiser <[hidden email]>wrote:

> You may have noticed that there were a number of new OS/programming
> environments announced this week at the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona.
> They included Windows Phone 7, MeeGo, Bada, Adobe Air and Flash 10.1,
> Symbian 3, WAC, and I don't know what else. Most of these operating systems
> or environments are designed to run on not just phones but e-books and even
> netbooks or larger devices. Who knows how this stuff will shake out, but all
> this intense competition makes it clear that the big corporations think that
> the largest growth market for computing hardware and associated application
> software is mobile devices and they are desperate to gain control of at
> least a piece of the pie.
>
> As you can guess, my reason in bringing this up is because I am interested
> in the question of whether or not Rexx/ooRexx/NetRexx can be used in these
> environments to develop applications and if the Rexx community is interested
> and capable of extending support for our languages into new environments.
> Some of these new environments will probably fail to mature but some may
> become pervasive. It may not be long until some of these "pocket computers"
> (A new meaning for "PC"?) become as powerful as the 3 year old 2GHz dual
> core laptop that I use for programming now! Does anyone have any ideas or
> opinions on this development?
>
> On the Android front, I am now developing a "Widget" application and have
> therefore updated the Android NetRexx IDE prototype to generate Widget
> projects as well as Activity projects. (Android apps come in two primary
> flavors - activities are fullscreen apps that open by touching an icon and
> widgets own a small window on the "desktop" that is always active.) In fact
> the "new_project" script which creates basic application frameworks with
> working templates can build a sample NetRexx project which will compile and
> install on an Android device as both a Widget and an Activity application!
> It is a dual "Hello World" application all without writing a single line of
> code! I have not heard of anyone else doing Android development in NetRexx
> yet, but I zipped the IDE and uploaded it anyway:
>
> http://kermitkiser.com/AndRexx
>
> Just in case you are interested, here is an update on the first NetRexx
> Android application (OneTouch Timer Free) that I published on the Google
> Market - I have published one enhancement upgrade (allowing a timer and a
> stopwatch to run simultaneously) and two bug fix upgrades. Comments
> indicated that there is a split in philosophy among users over whether a
> timer should start when the time is selected or only after pressing a Start
> button. As a result, I forked the application into a "TwoTouch Timer Free"
> version as a "social experiment" a couple of days ago. Current stats from
> Google indicate that the first version has a little over 3000 users after
> three weeks while the two day old "TwoTouch" version has jumped to almost
> 600 users and looks like it may quickly overtake the first as people switch
> over. One user has commented that he would pay for a slightly more
> sophisticated version of this application but it remains to be seen if that
> would be profitable - I have read that most commercially successful cell
> applications are games!
>
> -- Kermit
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ibm-netrexx mailing list
> [hidden email]
>
>

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Fernando Cassia-2

Cell phone programming

In reply to this post by David Requena

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:39 AM, David Requena <[hidden email]> wrote:

> I spent once some time researching applicability of NetRexx on J2ME. Had no
> good results but then this was on CLCD 1.0's prime time. Now J2ME seems to
> be on its way down.
>
> Yes, CLCD 1.0 sucked. But hey, that was nearly ten years ago.

Have used Java ME recently? It?s great. I use it all the time on my PalmOS
Centro Smartphone (despite IBM, sue me), to run Google?s GMail Mobile app
v1.5, and also Opera Mini...

http://www.wlanbook.com/google-gmail-app-treo-650/
http://www.opera.com/mini/

FC
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Thomas.Schneider.Wien

Cell phone programming

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Hello Michael,
I did, some time ago (a moth or so) download Kermit Kiser's OneTouch
Timer Display
to my RedBullMobile ANDROID Handy (which is produced actually by HUAWAI,
but Red BULL (you know, the *Austrian* SOFT-Drink, is marketing it, and for
me it looks like the Google (Nexus?) Handy announced.

Needless to say, that it did work without ANY Problems.

Now, when I'm going a'sleep for a while, I can say:

I *do want to be awaikened up in 7 Hours* (with ONE TOUCH!), and need
NOT to re-set my
*Alarm Clock* every day! Great !

Also, to this group:

The work Kermit Kiser *did* with NetRexxScript and David Requena with
his enhancements of Satguru' Srivastava's
former NetRexx Jedit plugin, nowadays called NetRexxDE (for NetRexx
development, I suppose),
seem to go to the right direction.

Also, I'm pleased to *report* that JEdit, Slava Pestov's generalized
Editor (with a *LOT of PLUGIN's
available, has surfaced all the (little) performance issues I personally
had when trying earlier
releases (back in 2002!).

As JEdit does NetRexx Syntax hightlighting *very well* (using David's
PLUGIN), I personally
would advise all NetRexx users to try those environment's at least.

You will love it!

Kind regards from dark Vienna.
Thomas Schneider (Tom.).

www.Rexx2Nrx.com
www.db-123.com
===========================================================================

,
Michael Dag schrieb:

> Hi All,
> I am currently not interested in cell phone programming,
> but am certainly interested in seeing some good NetRexx samples,
> I am sure if some good NetRexx samples are out there which can be
> run on android or blackberry, then NetRexx as a language might attract
> some new attention and gain some new followers!
>
> Regards,
> Michael
> www.mqsystems.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David Requena
> Sent: woensdag 17 februari 2010 13:40
> To: IBM Netrexx
> Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] Cell phone programming
>
> Kermit,
>
> This is in my view a very interesting area. If not for another reason,
> mobile device development seems to be one of the few domains in which small
> companies or individual developers still hold a fair opportunity for
> commercial success. Device app stores are also helping a lot in this regard.
>
> I spent once some time researching applicability of NetRexx on J2ME. Had no
> good results but then this was on CLCD 1.0's prime time. Now J2ME seems to
> be on its way down.
>
> I'm now playing with the idea of a similar effort but on the BlackBerry
> platform. This'll be definitely after some further development on NetRexxDE
> though.
>
> ---
> Saludos / Kind regards.
> David Requena
>
>
> El 17/02/2010 1:59, Kermit Kiser escribi?:
>
>> You may have noticed that there were a number of new OS/programming
>> environments announced this week at the Mobile World Congress in
>> Barcelona. They included Windows Phone 7, MeeGo, Bada, Adobe Air and
>> Flash 10.1, Symbian 3, WAC, and I don't know what else. Most of these
>> operating systems or environments are designed to run on not just
>> phones but e-books and even netbooks or larger devices. Who knows how
>> this stuff will shake out, but all this intense competition makes it
>> clear that the big corporations think that the largest growth market
>> for computing hardware and associated application software is mobile
>> devices and they are desperate to gain control of at least a piece of
>> the pie.
>>
>> As you can guess, my reason in bringing this up is because I am
>> interested in the question of whether or not Rexx/ooRexx/NetRexx can
>> be used in these environments to develop applications and if the Rexx
>> community is interested and capable of extending support for our
>> languages into new environments. Some of these new environments will
>> probably fail to mature but some may become pervasive. It may not be
>> long until some of these "pocket computers" (A new meaning for "PC"?)
>> become as powerful as the 3 year old 2GHz dual core laptop that I use
>> for programming now! Does anyone have any ideas or opinions on this
>> development?
>>
>> On the Android front, I am now developing a "Widget" application and
>> have therefore updated the Android NetRexx IDE prototype to generate
>> Widget projects as well as Activity projects. (Android apps come in
>> two primary flavors - activities are fullscreen apps that open by
>> touching an icon and widgets own a small window on the "desktop" that
>> is always active.) In fact the "new_project" script which creates
>> basic application frameworks with working templates can build a sample
>> NetRexx project which will compile and install on an Android device as
>> both a Widget and an Activity application! It is a dual "Hello World"
>> application all without writing a single line of code! I have not
>> heard of anyone else doing Android development in NetRexx yet, but I
>> zipped the IDE and uploaded it anyway:
>>
>> http://kermitkiser.com/AndRexx
>>
>> Just in case you are interested, here is an update on the first
>> NetRexx Android application (OneTouch Timer Free) that I published on
>> the Google Market - I have published one enhancement upgrade (allowing
>> a timer and a stopwatch to run simultaneously) and two bug fix
>> upgrades. Comments indicated that there is a split in philosophy among
>> users over whether a timer should start when the time is selected or
>> only after pressing a Start button. As a result, I forked the
>> application into a "TwoTouch Timer Free" version as a "social
>> experiment" a couple of days ago. Current stats from Google indicate
>> that the first version has a little over 3000 users after three weeks
>> while the two day old "TwoTouch" version has jumped to almost 600
>> users and looks like it may quickly overtake the first as people
>> switch over. One user has commented that he would pay for a slightly
>> more sophisticated version of this application but it remains to be
>> seen if that would be profitable - I have read that most commercially
>> successful cell applications are games!
>>
>> -- Kermit
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ibm-netrexx mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
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> [hidden email]
>
>
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>
>
>

Tom. (ths@db-123.com)

Thomas.Schneider.Wien

Cell phone programming

In reply to this post by Michael Dag

Hi Michael,
I'm currently in the process to finish my Rey (Rexx for Java ::=
Rexx2Nrx release 7:00) OPEN Source release.

This should (in theory, according to design, at least) even allow you to
use 'classic Rexx'
on a cell-phone (whoops, I'll still have to try that!!!)

When interested to help as a beta tester, please subscrtibe
GOOGLE-Groups Rexx2Nrx (or ReyC).

Thomas Schneider (Tom.).
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Michael Dag schrieb:

Tom. (ths@db-123.com)

Kermit Kiser

Cell phone programming

In reply to this post by Fernando Cassia-2

Is it possible to create Java ME applications with NetRexx?

Fernando Cassia wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:39 AM, David Requena <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
> I spent once some time researching applicability of NetRexx on
> J2ME. Had no good results but then this was on CLCD 1.0's prime
> time. Now J2ME seems to be on its way down.
>
> Yes, CLCD 1.0 sucked. But hey, that was nearly ten years ago.
>
> Have used Java ME recently? It?s great. I use it all the time on my
> PalmOS Centro Smartphone (despite IBM, sue me), to run Google?s GMail
> Mobile app v1.5, and also Opera Mini...
>
> http://www.wlanbook.com/google-gmail-app-treo-650/
> http://www.opera.com/mini/
>
> FC
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Thomas.Schneider.Wien

Cell phone programming

Kermit,
1.) I didn't yet fined the time to test your new release of
OneTouchFree etc on my RedBullMobile Handy. Sorry :-(
2.) *First time* I'm reading about Java ME.

I'll leave it totally up to You and David Requena to follow Java ME up ...
But please do keep me posted onj the results...

I'm currently *too busy* with my Rey (Rexx for Java) release... Sorry :-(

Tom.
==========================================================
Kermit Kiser schrieb:

> Is it possible to create Java ME applications with NetRexx?
>
> Fernando Cassia wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:39 AM, David Requena <[hidden email]
>> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>>
>> I spent once some time researching applicability of NetRexx on
>> J2ME. Had no good results but then this was on CLCD 1.0's prime
>> time. Now J2ME seems to be on its way down.
>>
>> Yes, CLCD 1.0 sucked. But hey, that was nearly ten years ago.
>>
>> Have used Java ME recently? It?s great. I use it all the time on my
>> PalmOS Centro Smartphone (despite IBM, sue me), to run Google?s GMail
>> Mobile app v1.5, and also Opera Mini...
>>
>> http://www.wlanbook.com/google-gmail-app-treo-650/
>> http://www.opera.com/mini/
>>
>> FC
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>>
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>> [hidden email]
>>
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Tom. (ths@db-123.com)

Aviatrexx

Cell phone programming

In reply to this post by Fernando Cassia-2

Fernando,

I too have been dismayed at the lack of success of the Palm OS. I've had a Palm
device since the beginning, in the form of an IBM WorkPad. Eventually, I got
tired of having to carry around two electronic devices and now have a Centro
running Palm OS Garnet v.5.4.9, and I LOVE it.

Amazingly, it still runs Jaxo's Classic Rexx interpreter (4.01, 13 Dec 2002)!

The only downside is that I have it on the AT&T system, and all those damn
iPhones are sucking all the bandwidth out of the network. (That, and I really
miss Graffiti.)

I would be very interested in any possibility to run NetRexx on the Centro, and
any pointers to the Java-accessible Centro toolkit.

-Chip-

On 2/17/10 23:30 Fernando Cassia said:

>
>
> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:39 AM, David Requena <[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>> wrote:
>
> I spent once some time researching applicability of NetRexx on J2ME.
> Had no good results but then this was on CLCD 1.0's prime time. Now
> J2ME seems to be on its way down.
>
> Yes, CLCD 1.0 sucked. But hey, that was nearly ten years ago.
>
> Have used Java ME recently? It?s great. I use it all the time on my
> PalmOS Centro Smartphone (despite IBM, sue me), to run Google?s GMail
> Mobile app v1.5, and also Opera Mini...
>
> http://www.wlanbook.com/google-gmail-app-treo-650/
> http://www.opera.com/mini/
>
> FC
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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> [hidden email]
>

Fernando Cassia-2

Cell phone programming

In reply to this post by Kermit Kiser

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:20 PM, Kermit Kiser <[hidden email]>wrote:

> Is it possible to create Java ME applications with NetRexx?
>

I never took a look at what, if anything, makes Java ME apps different from
a Java SE or Java applet, from the packaging point of view. Of course, Java
ME is much more restricted than the desktop (SE) edition, and there?s tons
of "extra" stuff added via JSRs... for instance accessing a phone?s camera,
etc.

I only know, from a user?s point of view, that you point the browser or
java-app-installer to a .jad file (local or over the network) that actually
containst the full URL of a JAR file. But that?s as far as I?ve got.

When it comes to Java development, I never got past the "Hello, world"
text-mode, command line Java programming. My mind just can?t be switched to
the OO paradigm after years of procedural code writing (Qbasic, MS Basic
PDS, CA-Realizer, PowerBasic, etc... OMG I feel ancient by naming such
museum pieces).

FC
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David Requena

Re: [Ibm-netrexx] Cell phone programming

In reply to this post by Michael Dag

Hi Michael,

Any high profile open source project would do for that matter.
I guess we're at a 'tools phase' at the moment..

---
Saludos / Kind regards.
David Requena

El 18/02/2010 0:03, Michael Dag escribió:

> Hi All,
> I am currently not interested in cell phone programming,
> but am certainly interested in seeing some good NetRexx samples,
> I am sure if some good NetRexx samples are out there which can be
> run on android or blackberry, then NetRexx as a language might attract
> some new attention and gain some new followers!
>
> Regards,
> Michael
> www.mqsystems.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of David Requena
> Sent: woensdag 17 februari 2010 13:40
> To: IBM Netrexx
> Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] Cell phone programming
>
> Kermit,
>
> This is in my view a very interesting area. If not for another reason,
> mobile device development seems to be one of the few domains in which small
> companies or individual developers still hold a fair opportunity for
> commercial success. Device app stores are also helping a lot in this regard.
>
> I spent once some time researching applicability of NetRexx on J2ME. Had no
> good results but then this was on CLCD 1.0's prime time. Now J2ME seems to
> be on its way down.
>
> I'm now playing with the idea of a similar effort but on the BlackBerry
> platform. This'll be definitely after some further development on NetRexxDE
> though.
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> El 17/02/2010 1:59, Kermit Kiser escribió:
>
>> You may have noticed that there were a number of new OS/programming
>> environments announced this week at the Mobile World Congress in
>> Barcelona. They included Windows Phone 7, MeeGo, Bada, Adobe Air and
>> Flash 10.1, Symbian 3, WAC, and I don't know what else. Most of these
>> operating systems or environments are designed to run on not just
>> phones but e-books and even netbooks or larger devices. Who knows how
>> this stuff will shake out, but all this intense competition makes it
>> clear that the big corporations think that the largest growth market
>> for computing hardware and associated application software is mobile
>> devices and they are desperate to gain control of at least a piece of
>> the pie.
>>
>> As you can guess, my reason in bringing this up is because I am
>> interested in the question of whether or not Rexx/ooRexx/NetRexx can
>> be used in these environments to develop applications and if the Rexx
>> community is interested and capable of extending support for our
>> languages into new environments. Some of these new environments will
>> probably fail to mature but some may become pervasive. It may not be
>> long until some of these "pocket computers" (A new meaning for "PC"?)
>> become as powerful as the 3 year old 2GHz dual core laptop that I use
>> for programming now! Does anyone have any ideas or opinions on this
>> development?
>>
>> On the Android front, I am now developing a "Widget" application and
>> have therefore updated the Android NetRexx IDE prototype to generate
>> Widget projects as well as Activity projects. (Android apps come in
>> two primary flavors - activities are fullscreen apps that open by
>> touching an icon and widgets own a small window on the "desktop" that
>> is always active.) In fact the "new_project" script which creates
>> basic application frameworks with working templates can build a sample
>> NetRexx project which will compile and install on an Android device as
>> both a Widget and an Activity application! It is a dual "Hello World"
>> application all without writing a single line of code! I have not
>> heard of anyone else doing Android development in NetRexx yet, but I
>> zipped the IDE and uploaded it anyway:
>>
>> http://kermitkiser.com/AndRexx
>>
>> Just in case you are interested, here is an update on the first
>> NetRexx Android application (OneTouch Timer Free) that I published on
>> the Google Market - I have published one enhancement upgrade (allowing
>> a timer and a stopwatch to run simultaneously) and two bug fix
>> upgrades. Comments indicated that there is a split in philosophy among
>> users over whether a timer should start when the time is selected or
>> only after pressing a Start button. As a result, I forked the
>> application into a "TwoTouch Timer Free" version as a "social
>> experiment" a couple of days ago. Current stats from Google indicate
>> that the first version has a little over 3000 users after three weeks
>> while the two day old "TwoTouch" version has jumped to almost 600
>> users and looks like it may quickly overtake the first as people
>> switch over. One user has commented that he would pay for a slightly
>> more sophisticated version of this application but it remains to be
>> seen if that would be profitable - I have read that most commercially
>> successful cell applications are games!
>>
>> -- Kermit
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It's been a long time yes...

I'll probably check against newer specs of micro edition but I hold not much hope.
True the platform evolved a lot but mainly by adding new APIs for access to phone features. J2ME remains a pretty limited platform today... At least it has floating point support now!

I seem to remember there was some issue with pre-verification but I no longer remember.

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El 18/02/2010 0:30, Fernando Cassia escribió:

On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:39 AM, David Requena <[hidden email]> wrote:

I spent once some time researching applicability of NetRexx on J2ME. Had no good results but then this was on CLCD 1.0's prime time. Now J2ME seems to be on its way down.

Yes, CLCD 1.0 sucked. But hey, that was nearly ten years ago.

Have used Java ME recently? It´s great. I use it all the time on my PalmOS Centro Smartphone (despite IBM, sue me), to run Google´s GMail Mobile app v1.5, and also Opera Mini...

http://www.wlanbook.com/google-gmail-app-treo-650/
http://www.opera.com/mini/

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Just a clarification

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El 18/02/2010 0:31, Thomas Schneider escribió:

As JEdit does NetRexx Syntax hightlighting *very well* (using David's PLUGIN), I personally
would advise all NetRexx users to try those environment's at least.

Syntax highlighting is a general feature of jEdit itself, not NetRexxDE. IMHO it's pretty broken as it's based on pattern matching.

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It wasn't time ago when I tried.
Now it might be possible with CLDC 1.1/MIDP2.0

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El 18/02/2010 2:20, Kermit Kiser escribió:

Is it possible to create Java ME applications with NetRexx?

Fernando Cassia wrote:
On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 9:39 AM, David Requena <[hidden email]> wrote:

I spent once some time researching applicability of NetRexx on J2ME. Had no good results but then this was on CLCD 1.0's prime time. Now J2ME seems to be on its way down.

Yes, CLCD 1.0 sucked. But hey, that was nearly ten years ago.

Have used Java ME recently? It´s great. I use it all the time on my PalmOS Centro Smartphone (despite IBM, sue me), to run Google´s GMail Mobile app v1.5, and also Opera Mini...

http://www.wlanbook.com/google-gmail-app-treo-650/
http://www.opera.com/mini/

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Fernando Cassia schrieb am 18.02.2010 00:30:

Hi,

stop bashing the CLDC so much ;-)
I've done NetRexx programming back when cldc/kvm was 0.2beta, and the
customer I wrote these things for was using Symbol 1740 wireless
scanners with PalmOS running a NetRexx app back in '2000. The only thing
I had to add to the vm was an API to access the barcode scanners of
these devices. Although not easy (the compiler had been buggy like mad,
so I needed my 68k assembler knowledge to debug that one... yuck), I
achieved everything they needed.
So they'd ben able to interface these devices with SAP and Movex (large
international company) until about 2 years go, when they decided to
replace it with windows mobile scanners and web browsers... not to
improve it, but to follow "company policies" that someone invented
before checking our nice, working solution.

So far my memories about NetRexx and mobile devices (ok, no cell phone
this case...)

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Hi David,

I would like to follow this up:

Which module does the NetRexx Syntax highlighting for NetRexx in Jedit?

Is it Satguru Srivastava's Netrexx Plugin for Jedit or is it your
(newer) NetRexxDE?

I am -- at this minute -- very satisfied for the Code I'm developping in
NetRexx
with the current HIGHLIGHTING I'm getting.

I am, however, *NOT sure*, where I should look at for the current
highlighting
Code. Is it in your package (NetRexxDE) oder the original NetRexxJe??

Would be helpful when you could give me your advise on this issue....

Thanks in advance.
Tom.
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> Just a clarification
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> El 18/02/2010 0:31, Thomas Schneider escribió:
>> As JEdit does NetRexx Syntax hightlighting *very well* (using
>> David's PLUGIN), I personally
>> would advise all NetRexx users to try those environment's at least.
>
> Syntax highlighting is a general feature of jEdit itself, not
> NetRexxDE. IMHO it's pretty broken as it's based on pattern matching.
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Hi Thomas,

Syntax highlighting is a core feature of jEdit itself. I mean it's not
related to any plugin but supplied with vanilla jEdit as an 'EditMode'.

The definition for the NetRexx editmode can be found as an xml file
under jEditInstallDir\modes along many more supplied modes. Look for a
netrexx.xml file there.

You may put a customized copy of this file under
jEditUserDirectory\modes. This copy will override the standard one.

As always look under menu 'Utilities/jEdit Home Directory' for getting
jEditInstallDir and menu 'Utilities/Settings Directory' for getting
jEditUserDirectory.

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El 24/02/2010 1:00, Thomas Schneider escribió:

> Hi David,
>
> I would like to follow this up:
>
> Which module does the NetRexx Syntax highlighting for NetRexx in Jedit?
>
> Is it Satguru Srivastava's Netrexx Plugin for Jedit or is it your
> (newer) NetRexxDE?
>
> I am -- at this minute -- very satisfied for the Code I'm developping
> in NetRexx
> with the current HIGHLIGHTING I'm getting.
>
> I am, however, *NOT sure*, where I should look at for the current
> highlighting
> Code. Is it in your package (NetRexxDE) oder the original NetRexxJe??
>
> Would be helpful when you could give me your advise on this issue....
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Tom.
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>
>
> David Requena schrieb:
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>> Just a clarification
>> ---
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>> David Requena
>>
>> El 18/02/2010 0:31, Thomas Schneider escribió:
>>> As JEdit does NetRexx Syntax hightlighting *very well* (using
>>> David's PLUGIN), I personally
>>> would advise all NetRexx users to try those environment's at least.
>>
>> Syntax highlighting is a general feature of jEdit itself, not
>> NetRexxDE. IMHO it's pretty broken as it's based on pattern matching.
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