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[Fernando Cassia-2]

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 16:35, Thomas Schneider
<[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Greetings from dark Vienna, Austria.
> ... and thanks for the update of my (always toooo small) brain, Fernando :-)

You, the professional programmers, are the true geniuses.
Me,I'm a generalist, I know plenty of everything in the IT world, and
I'm a professional of "nothing" ;)

That only serves to get a "big picture" but not for much else. Sadly I
lack the patience to sit and code anything besides really small bash
scripts for my own use.

But I hope my finances get better soon so, with a full fridge, I'm
able to code something of value with the help of NetRexx.

Kind regards
FC

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[ThSITC]

Hi Fernando, and all, again:

I think both behaviours are *needed* and *welcome* :-)

What also *is needed*, is a frank co-operation between everybody's
according to their interests, background. personal history and experiences,
knowledge,and emphathy :-)

... in an open co-operastion on a free will basis

...... as we do on ibm-netrexx *and* RexxLA :-)

Thanks again, Fernando, for the follow up, and I'm now focusing on my
perdnig current releass, sorry :-(

Thomas.
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Am 23.04.2012 21:40, schrieb Fernando Cassia:

> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 16:35, Thomas Schneider
> <[hidden email]>  wrote:
>> Greetings from dark Vienna, Austria.
>> ... and thanks for the update of my (always toooo small) brain, Fernando :-)
> You, the professional programmers, are the true geniuses.
> Me,I'm a generalist, I know plenty of everything in the IT world, and
> I'm a professional of "nothing" ;)
>
> That only serves to get a "big picture" but not for much else. Sadly I
> lack the patience to sit and code anything besides really small bash
> scripts for my own use.
>
> But I hope my finances get better soon so, with a full fridge, I'm
> able to code something of value with the help of NetRexx.
>
> Kind regards
> FC
>

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[Rony G. Flatscher (wu-wien)]

Hi there,

just a pointer (cf. the URL below) for those interested in the lawsuit Oracle vs. Google on Java, where Google uses Apache Harmony in place of Java for Android:

"Today's episode in the oracle/sun lawsuit looks at Harmony
http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20120423121100882


"Oracle: You said Apache Harmony resigned. This is a posting about the
resignation. 3rd to last paragraph. By the way, Apache was furious?

Bob Lee: I wouldn't attribute an emotion.

Oracle: A strong business disagreement?

Bob Lee: A strong disagreement."

Apparently the javadoc "returns the private key" on the Harmony method
KeyPair.GetPrivate() is evidence of copying.

I despair of copyright at this point. Maybe the next javadoc I write
should have some comment like "returns a random string whose nature is
a mystery" so that if that appears in some source file we can say
"that came from ASF code", but saying a self-descriptive javadoc shows
some infringement is scraping the barrel.

1. If Oracle win this case, they can argue that interface
specifications are copyrighted. That's C/C++ header files, Java class
signatures, whatever. That would be a very bad day for software as a
whole.

2. If Oracle lose the case, I wonder what it means for Harmony? At the
very least, there's no commercial value in retaining a FoU restriction
on access to the TCK. They'd probably still be sulking and say no, but
it would be funny to ask anyway.

... cut ..."

---rony



On 23.04.2012 17:41, Rony G. Flatscher wrote:

On 23.04.2012 16:45, Fernando Cassia wrote:

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 06:54, rvjansen [hidden email] wrote:

I have an Android device since last weekend 'for research purposes'

Giving Google's increasing control of everything and its boycott of
standards based Java and a level playing field (ie the removal of
Google's official GMail J2ME app from its download site) I sure as
***** do not want to promote Google's dominance into yet another area
(mobile OSs).

Of the three current major players in mobiles and pads (Apple, Microsoft, Google), only
Google/Android allows one to load/buy Android apps from a non-Google-owned "market-place". In
addition it is using open-source software which is made available.

Of course, I am wary with Google (but of course also with Oracle, Apple and Microsoft and Facebook
et.al. at this point in time). But Android by comparison is open in many aspects that are no-gos for
Apple or Microsoft (which seems to copy Apple's iOS-strategies and enslaving rules for the
developers and users 1:1, arriving at their Windows95-dream where they can tax everything like Apple
does now). You can even add scripting languages to Android, which is impossible with iOS (and AFAIK
with mobile Windows nowadays as well, if not mistaken).

Ad "Java-standards" and pulling of GMail J2ME: this probably has to do with the lawsuit of Oracle
against Google. (But of course, could also be some mean tactics, who knows?)

(BTW, Google has been using Apache's Harmony as Java replacement, which was created to be compatible
with Sun's Java. Sun - and now Oracle - has denied the TCK to make it possible to test Harmony and
if all tests passed, Apache would have been able to state that Harmony was fully compliant to the
Java specs, i.e. a replacement for Java; this has been denied *despite* written agreements between
Sun and Apache, such that Apache pulled away from the JCP, where Apache year for year was nominated
due to their Java technology contributions! Among many interesting points, the case of the
opensource Harmony vs. Java is especially interesting in the ongoing lawsuit.)

I would be interested, though, to learn about NetRexx being used to
create Java ME apps for Sony Ericsson* or the many Chinese phones
available with J2ME.

Or for Amazon Kindle ebook readers which feature Java ME MIDP 1.0...

It seems that also in these corners, closeness vs. openness are worthwhile to investigate (for the
developers and the users alike).

---rony

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[Fernando Cassia-2]

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 05:37, Rony G. Flatscher
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> 2. If Oracle lose the case, I wonder what it means for Harmony?

Harmony is dead.
Long live OpenJDK.

Even IBM and Apple have joined the project. It's a moot point from a
time when Java SE was still not GPL open source...
Just my $0.02

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[Fernando Cassia-2]

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 05:37, Rony G. Flatscher
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> just a pointer (cf. the URL below) for those interested in the lawsuit

This made my day:

---
Oracle objection.

Judge Alsup: Is he an expert witness?

Google: No, he's not.

Judge Alsup: I think this is specialized knowledge.

Google: But this is facts.

Judge Alsup: No, it's not.
---

What is missing is another round of

-yes it is
-no it's not
-yes
-no
-yes
-no
-no
-yes
-there you have it, he said yes. ;)

;-)

I think it's unfortunate that Google decided to fork Java this way by
refusing to license it.
In the end Google is helping do what Microsoft tried to do a decade
and a half ago with its "Microsoft java".. "embrace and extend"

I also think it's unfortunate that the firms didnt reach an agreement
(battle of Egos)

Oh well...

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[Rony G. Flatscher (wu-wien)]

On 24.04.2012 10:45, Fernando Cassia wrote:

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 05:37, Rony G. Flatscher
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2. If Oracle lose the case, I wonder what it means for Harmony?

Harmony is dead.
Long live OpenJDK.

Even IBM and Apple have joined the project. It's a moot point from a
time when Java SE was still not GPL open source...
Just my $0.02

Hmm, just two remarks:

• Harmony will be available forever under the permissive Apache License, the reference to this lawsuit is of fundamental importance regarding the creation and usage of software in general in the United States (influencing many other countries in the world). And Harmony is what makes and allows Android programmers to use Java (NetRexx) programs for creating Android applications, therefore it escapes me why you state Harmony would be dead at all, when in reality it is alive and being heavily employed/deployed in the mobile world, like it or not.
  
  
• Whether GPL or AL is "better" or not depends on your personal preferences of what opensource means or should mean. [Interestingly Oracle handed over the source code of OpenOffice.org to Apache and a lot of the work that has been done in the last eleven months was to make sure that a prospective "Apache OpenOffice (AOO)" will have AL-compliant/compatible licenses in the source. Cf. the timeline at <https://blogs.apache.org/preview/OOo/?previewEntry=an_apache_openoffice_timeline> and for the changes up to now, where a release candidate of AOO has become imminent: <https://cwiki.apache.org/OOOUSERS/aoo-34-release-notes.html>.] It is interesting that LibreOffice (the GPL fork) can use all of AOO due to the AL, whereas the other way round it is not possible at all (unless programmers make their work available with an AL compliant license).
  

---rony

P.S.: Don't hold your breadth that the OpenJDK is fully compatible with Oracle's JDK. I received reports on stupid errors compiling the Java part of BSF4ooRexx with OpenJDK, whereas compilation works flawlessly with the matching non-open Oracle JDK version (as it did all the way back to - and including - Sun/Oracle Java 1.4).


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[Fernando Cassia-2]

On Tue, Apr 24, 2012 at 06:00, Rony G. Flatscher
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> therefore it escapes me why you state Harmony would be dead at all

I was speaking about the desktop.  In the desktop, JRE is the default,
and those who want open source have OpenJDK, which is the default for
Linux distros nowadays. Who wants to run an "almost compatible" JVM
like Harmony on the desktop?.

Plus, OpenJDK is the reference implementation for JDK7,
http://www.java7developer.com/blog/?p=361

and will be for JDK8 too.

And btw I suport the Apache foundation's OpenOffice over the
LibreOffice fork...mainly because of the extremist attitude from
LibreOffice jihadists that led to the fork (opposition to Sun's
contributor agreements, that made commercial releases ie StarOffice,
possible). You don't spit someone in the eye and then invite them for
dinner, which is what the Document Foundation guys did to Oracle.

Read the words of Canonical's Shuttleworth: http://ho.io/libreoffice

I won't be taking this further as I'm afraid it's a bit offtopic for this list.
FC

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[kenner]

Herr Schneider,

        I *do* not seem to be able to find rexxform on Kenai or your website.



Kenneth Klein
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Thomas Schneider <[hidden email]>
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Hi Fernando Cassia:

1.) thanks for you clarifications :-)
2.) I must admit, thatt I did never look as deeply as you obviously did
into all those subtle differences. Sorry :-(
3.) I do, herewith again, offer my full support for NetRexx, and the other
dialects of the Rexx Family, of course...
4.) as a first step, I am just releasing RexxForm (a Rexx (any dialect)
Re-Formatter) both on my home-page and org.netrexx.thsitc.rexxform

This product will and should be free for members for the ibm-netrexx and/or
RexxLA group. It will be commercial for HEAVY usage of BIG companies,
having enough money to pay a small amount by each 1000 source lines
they are Re-Formatiing ... Just to get Capitalistic Companies to
PAY a fare share to INVENTORS.

5.) After my current release(s), I will focus (as far as NetRexx is
involved),
on the re-structuring of class Rexx.nrx, to separate NUMERIC Logics again,
with a new NetrexxC compiler option to switch between current NetRexx
class Rexx implementation, Mike's new BigDecimal class, and Javas
BigDecimal class.

In this step, I will also integrate my already released routines of

org.netrexx.thsitc.compatibility,runtime

so that you can use date, time, linein, lineout, etc

in any Netrexx program (when you like to do so) .

Greetings from dark Vienna, Austria.
... and thanks for the update of my (always toooo small) brain, Fernando :-)

Thomas Schneider
CEO ThSITC IT-Consulting KG
Erdbergstr. 52-60/1/13
1030 Wien

FaceBook ID: Thomas.Schneider.Wien
Skype ID       :  * detto*

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Am 23.04.2012 21:12, schrieb Fernando Cassia:
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 15:46, Thomas Schneider
> <[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>    could you provide plase (for me stupid member of this excellent
>> group ;-))
>>
>>    simply the LINK's to the aformentioned op sysis in your mail, please ?
> errr hummm what? :)
>
> Java ME is Java ME. An app coded for java ME works on any Java ME
> enabled phone (even the latest Sony Ericsson high-end phones that
> while they run Android, Sony supplies a "Java ME emulator" to run J2ME
> apps.
>
> The only "compatibility" problems begin when you start looking ar JSRs
> (native apis to intereact ie with the phone's camera, GPS, etc, those
> JSRs are 'optional' and each manufacturer decides whether to include
> such features into their JVMs or not). But for basic apps that just
> fetch data from a tcp/ip link, all is well.
>
> For instance, I ran google's now-unsupported GMail for Java app on a
> Palm Centro running PalmOS, by installing IBM's J9 JVM.
>
> The Kindle KDK allegledly uses Java ME MIDP 1.0 specs, so supposedly
> it'd be no different than coding a MIDP 1.0 app tu run on a monochrome
> device like the ancient PalmOS PDAs... but in order to get the Kindle
> Development Kit, you have to be "approved" by some gurus at Amazon who
> hold the keys to the door...
>
> Don't know if I can provide much more info...
>
> :-(
>
> FC
>


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[ThSITC]

Hello Kenneth,

   I will demo & release RexxForm to org.netrexx.thsitc.rexxform
during Mai, after my remote demo on the RexxLA symposium.

  You might then also download the jar from thsitc.com
  Sources will be maintained on www.kenai.com/netrexx.

   I will also submit the .jar and some samples to rene for inclusion at
www.netrexx.org.

Thomas.
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Am 24.04.2012 17:28, schrieb [hidden email]:

Herr Schneider,

        I *do* not seem to be able to find rexxform on Kenai or your website.



Kenneth Klein
Systems Specialist
502-868-3644
859-750-5179 (Cell)
502-868-2298 (Fax)
[hidden email]

Thomas Schneider [hidden email]
Sent by: [hidden email]

04/23/2012 03:35 PM

Please respond to
IBM Netrexx [hidden email]

To	Fernando Cassia [hidden email]
cc	IBM Netrexx [hidden email]
Subject	Re: [Ibm-netrexx] Dalvikvm cache

Hi Fernando Cassia:

1.) thanks for you clarifications :-)
2.) I must admit, thatt I did never look as deeply as you obviously did
into all those subtle differences. Sorry :-(
3.) I do, herewith again, offer my full support for NetRexx, and the other
dialects of the Rexx Family, of course...
4.) as a first step, I am just releasing RexxForm (a Rexx (any dialect)
Re-Formatter) both on my home-page and org.netrexx.thsitc.rexxform

This product will and should be free for members for the ibm-netrexx and/or
RexxLA group. It will be commercial for HEAVY usage of BIG companies,
having enough money to pay a small amount by each 1000 source lines
they are Re-Formatiing ... Just to get Capitalistic Companies to
PAY a fare share to INVENTORS.

5.) After my current release(s), I will focus (as far as NetRexx is
involved),
on the re-structuring of class Rexx.nrx, to separate NUMERIC Logics again,
with a new NetrexxC compiler option to switch between current NetRexx
class Rexx implementation, Mike's new BigDecimal class, and Javas
BigDecimal class.

In this step, I will also integrate my already released routines of

org.netrexx.thsitc.compatibility,runtime

so that you can use date, time, linein, lineout, etc

in any Netrexx program (when you like to do so) .

Greetings from dark Vienna, Austria.
... and thanks for the update of my (always toooo small) brain, Fernando :-)

Thomas Schneider
CEO ThSITC IT-Consulting KG
Erdbergstr. 52-60/1/13
1030 Wien

FaceBook ID: Thomas.Schneider.Wien
Skype ID       :  * detto*

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Am 23.04.2012 21:12, schrieb Fernando Cassia:
> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 15:46, Thomas Schneider
> [hidden email]  wrote:
>>    could you provide plase (for me stupid member of this excellent
>> group ;-))
>>
>>    simply the LINK's to the aformentioned op sysis in your mail, please ?
> errr hummm what? :)
>
> Java ME is Java ME. An app coded for java ME works on any Java ME
> enabled phone (even the latest Sony Ericsson high-end phones that
> while they run Android, Sony supplies a "Java ME emulator" to run J2ME
> apps.
>
> The only "compatibility" problems begin when you start looking ar JSRs
> (native apis to intereact ie with the phone's camera, GPS, etc, those
> JSRs are 'optional' and each manufacturer decides whether to include
> such features into their JVMs or not). But for basic apps that just
> fetch data from a tcp/ip link, all is well.
>
> For instance, I ran google's now-unsupported GMail for Java app on a
> Palm Centro running PalmOS, by installing IBM's J9 JVM.
>
> The Kindle KDK allegledly uses Java ME MIDP 1.0 specs, so supposedly
> it'd be no different than coding a MIDP 1.0 app tu run on a monochrome
> device like the ancient PalmOS PDAs... but in order to get the Kindle
> Development Kit, you have to be "approved" by some gurus at Amazon who
> hold the keys to the door...
>
> Don't know if I can provide much more info...
>
> :-(
>
> FC
>


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[Fernando Cassia-2]

On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 12:41, Rony G. Flatscher
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> But Android by comparison is open in many aspects that are no-gos for
> Apple or Microsoft

Microsoft's hold over Android grows
http://news.techeye.net/mobile/microsofts-hold-over-android-grows#utm_source=thetecheye&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=default

---
Microsoft's hold over the Android operating system has grown as the
software giant gets another manufacturer signed up to pay protection
money a licence fee. Taiwanese manufacturer Pegatron has agreed to pay
Microsoft licensing fees for each Android or Chrome device it makes.

Redmond told ZDnet that it is the latest in a long string of such
agreements, and covers smartphones, e-readers and tablets. It has
signed deals with Quanta, Wistron and Compal already.

Microsoft intellectual property chief Horacio Gutierrez said in a
statement that Vole was proud of the continued success of its Android
licensing program in "resolving IP issues surrounding Android and
Chrome devices in the marketplace". Microsoft should be. It makes a
lot of profit out of every Android device sold without having to do
much more itself.

In fact, a cynic might say that Microsoft could avoid releasing
Windows 8 on mobile devices and continue to profit off the back of
Android without having to get out of bed. Pegatron makes Android
devices for the likes of HTC and Lenovo. HTC was the first to agree to
pay Microsoft royalties over Android in April 2010.

Vole has not said how much it receives in royalties for Android
handsets and tablets, but Microsoft makes a lot more money off Android
than it does off its own rival platform.
----

Read more: http://news.techeye.net/mobile/microsofts-hold-over-android-grows#ixzz1tEWLkiqc

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