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[Thomas.Schneider.Wien]

Hello there at REXXLA,

   I would like to forward this Message of Rene Vincent Jansen
(President of REXXLA)
for all your evidence and/or knowledge.

Hello David Requena,
   
   best thing I can propose is: *simply become a member of REXXLA*, please.

There are so many people there working hard in/with Rexx (any dialects).

And they *all* are very supportive, as I did recognize over the past
Years...

Look at www.REXXLA.org how to become a member -- as sooner, as better ...

Tom. (Thomas Schneider)

www.db-123.com
www.Rexx2Nrx.com

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[David Requena]

That's a sensible advise, Thomas.

I'll surely joining in the near future.
Annual wages are quite low but maybe waiting untill may the 2nd but make
more sense from an investment perspective :-)

2010/2/5 Thomas Schneider <[hidden email]>

> Hello there at REXXLA,
>
>  I would like to forward this Message of Rene Vincent Jansen (President of
> REXXLA)
> for all your evidence and/or knowledge.
>
> Hello David Requena,
>    best thing I can propose is: *simply become a member of REXXLA*, please.
>
> There are so many people there working hard in/with Rexx (any dialects).
>
> And they *all* are very supportive, as I did recognize over the past
> Years...
>
> Look at www.REXXLA.org how to become a member -- as sooner, as better ...
>
> Tom. (Thomas Schneider)
>
> www.db-123.com
> www.Rexx2Nrx.com
>
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>
>
>
> ---------- Mensaje reenviado ----------
> From: "Ren? Jansen" <[hidden email]>
> To: IBM Netrexx <[hidden email]>
> Date: Fri, 5 Feb 2010 01:03:13 +0100
> Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] Some questions on NetRexx open sourcing process
> Hi David,
>
> those are a lot of questions, all perfectly valid  - and it is late so I'll
> answer you as compact as possible.
>
> The Ivory Tower council of savants impression actually made me laugh - if
> you would know them - us - you might not hand out compliments that easily.
> All people I know from RexxLA are quite the opposite - they will rewrite
> your code for you in the middle of the night just because it is Rexx and
> will visit the symposium just because they are friends.
>
> The tight lippedness about this process has got nothing to do with RexxLA.
> I would encourage you to be a member, because it is  - well - a fun group of
> people with a vast amount of knowledge about the granddaddy of scripting
> languages (not my words, I read that in "Programming Language Pragmatics")
> and/or the first alternative language for the JVM. And not expensive, at
> least not when you compare it to an iPhone. Or an Android phone (that
> actually runs NetRexx).
>
> About 1) and 2), I can, in my ivory tower way, only say: the work is done.
> Do not worry about this.
>
> 3) Yes, a language council is being set up for this purpose. Non members
> will also be involved, but will not be elegible for the ballpoint pens and
> stickers.
> 4) We are postponing any discussion about future language modification
> until the time for it is ripe. I know Martin's proposals and I have a few of
> my own. To start one discussion, I abhor Java generics syntax but like what
> it does. Maybe NetRexx can do this without syntax. The important part is,
> all things should be discussed and agreed, then documented, then
> implemented. It is the Rexx way. My personal priority is in annotations.
>
> 5) No. I am open for suggestions, but I happen to like NetRexx. This is
> probably something members get to vote on if they think it has to change.
>
> 6) No, you will not need to become a member, but why don't you join anyway?
>
> And this is 2010. Of course I am bound by several NDA's, one of them IBM,
> one of them the IBM account I work for, and several others I just signed
> because otherwise I cannot invoice people or get insurance. There is even
> one NDA, this is the truth, that I am not allowed to talk about. This should
> not have to keep us from having a fruitful discussion on language futures at
> all. It does explain however, the terseness of answers 1) and 2).
>
> Let me finish by expressing my gratitude to you for the resurrection of an
> important NetRexx tool - let us not allow this list to go quiet again.
>
> best regards,
>
> Ren?.
>
> On 5 feb 2010, at 00:00, David Requena wrote:
>
>
> No it's not about schedules this time around. Enough of that for now... :-)
>
> The thing is...  for the first time I got the feeling this process is
> actually advancing in some direction.
> We all, as NetRexx developers hoping to see the language advance, are
> eagerly awaiting for the
> culmination of a process about which we have near to no information.
>
> As far as I know, IBM is handing the code (presumably the rights too) for
> Mike's language processor and runtime
> components to RexxLA and... and... and... well... that's it!
>
> I'm sure extensive discussion has been held within RexxLA about the topic
> but, being RexxLa how it is in its nature
> no word came out. No offence intended, it's just that seen from the
> outside, RexxLA presents a public image in the
> style of a council of the savants in their ivory tower. Of course this
> topic is up to its members, I have no stake at it.
>
> OK, to the point: here're my questions:
>
> 1) What is actually involved in the transfer process?
>    - Just the code and rights for a particular implementation of the
> language?
>    - The intellectual property constituted by the language definition?
> Maybe  control over future direction of this?
>
> 2) Are there some actual software patents belonging to IBM which may be
> hindering the process?
>    - Will the 'transferred product' be complete or will individuals willing
> to support the language have to
>       re-implement some components which 'couldn't' finally be open
> sourced?
>
> 3) In case of RexxLA gaining actual control over future language
> eveolution:
>    - Have the RexxLa board already made any plans about how to manage this?
>    - Will all discussion be made within the organization or will non RexxLA
> members be able to get involved?
>    - Will RexxLA accept outside proposals as for example those found at
> http://lafaix.online.fr/netrexx/WD-miscproposals.html
>       by Martin Lafaix. Not saying I necessarily support any or all of them
> though.
>
> 4) Has any discussion about actual language definition modification already
> been held?
>    - Any already taken decisions?
>
> 5) Has any discusion over the name of the language  been held?
>    - Will we have an oNetRexx in the vein of ooREXX?
>
> 6) All in all, will I *need* to join RexxLA in order to have some little
> influence over the future of NetRexx? Yes, generics are a
>       must for me!  ;-))
>
> Not to be misunderstood, I've been considering joining RexxLa for some time
> now for totally unrelated reasons. It's has been
> that kind of thing you're always going to do next day. The point is in my
> view these would be valid questions were I an actual
> present member of RexxLA.
>
> Just some doubt itching the back of my skull lately. I hope someone at the
> list has some insights into these matters.
> Also hope that individuals are not bound by an NDA!
>
> Thanks in advance.
> --
> Saludos / Regards,
> David Requena
>
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[Kermit Kiser]

Whoa! It had not occurred to me that RexxLA membership cost could be an
obstacle. I may not have a lot financially but I would be happy to
contribute to a "scholarship" type fund to help those in areas of the
world where such need could be a problem.

Is this a good idea? Anyone know if there is a need?

-- Kermit


David Requena wrote:

>
> That's a sensible advise, Thomas.
>
> I'll surely joining in the near future.
> Annual wages are quite low but maybe waiting untill may the 2nd but
> make more sense from an investment perspective :-)
>
> 2010/2/5 Thomas Schneider <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>
>     Hello there at REXXLA,
>
>      I would like to forward this Message of Rene Vincent Jansen
>     (President of REXXLA)
>     for all your evidence and/or knowledge.
>
>     Hello David Requena,
>        best thing I can propose is: *simply become a member of
>     REXXLA*, please.
>
>     There are so many people there working hard in/with Rexx (any
>     dialects).
>
>     And they *all* are very supportive, as I did recognize over the
>     past Years...
>
>     Look at www.REXXLA.org <http://www.REXXLA.org> how to become a
>     member -- as sooner, as better ...
>
>     Tom. (Thomas Schneider)
>
>     www.db-123.com <http://www.db-123.com>
>     www.Rexx2Nrx.com <http://www.Rexx2Nrx.com>
>
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[Aviatrexx]

Well, apparently David could use twelve bucks... ;-)  That way we could get him
onboard three months early.  :-))

-Chip-

On 2/5/10 19:34 Kermit Kiser said:

> Whoa! It had not occurred to me that RexxLA membership cost could be an
> obstacle. I may not have a lot financially but I would be happy to
> contribute to a "scholarship" type fund to help those in areas of the
> world where such need could be a problem.
>
> Is this a good idea? Anyone know if there is a need?
>
> -- Kermit
>
>
> David Requena wrote:
>>
>> That's a sensible advise, Thomas.
>>
>> I'll surely joining in the near future.
>> Annual wages are quite low but maybe waiting untill may the 2nd but
>> make more sense from an investment perspective :-)

[Aviatrexx]

I am not the Treasurer, but historically the membership dues paid for the
basics, domain names, hosting services, post office box rental, postage, and the
seed money to hold the Symposium each year.  At this point, we have to budget
for the development needs of the ooRexx Project and soon, the NetRexx project.

No one is getting rich here (hell, no one's getting paid anything) or getting
sent to conferences or anything.  In fact one of the drawbacks of being a RexxLA
officer is that is costs you money for the "privilege"...

What you get is access to the RexxLA discussion list, where you will find Mike
Cowlishaw, Rick McGuire, Mark Hessling, David Ashley, and a whole host of Rexx
experts.  The signal to noise ratio is roughly infinity (for a sufficiently
large value of NUMERIC DIGITS).

Think of it as the cheapest Rexx software support contract you can buy.

-Chip-

On 2/5/10 20:36 Jeff Hennick said:
> First, please someone, tell us what the money currently is used for.  
> And what a member gets for the money.  I tried finding it on the
> rexxla.org site, but could not.  Indeed, could find little there.  
> (Except: Under Construction )

[Rupp Peter - prupp]

Hello Chip,
Thanks for the information.   I'm planning on using NetRexx for an
upcoming commercial project and this helps understand what RexxLA is all
about.

I'm a heavy Python programmer, and really like their web-site's
organization. They have lots of information about open-source and
commercial projects using Python and their contacts.  This has helped me
a lot in that arena.

Thanks again.
Peter

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From: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Chip Davis
Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 3:13 PM
To: IBM Netrexx
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] Some questions on NetRexx open
sourcingprocess]

I am not the Treasurer, but historically the membership dues paid for
the
basics, domain names, hosting services, post office box rental, postage,
and the
seed money to hold the Symposium each year.  At this point, we have to
budget
for the development needs of the ooRexx Project and soon, the NetRexx
project.

No one is getting rich here (hell, no one's getting paid anything) or
getting
sent to conferences or anything.  In fact one of the drawbacks of being
a RexxLA
officer is that is costs you money for the "privilege"...

What you get is access to the RexxLA discussion list, where you will
find Mike
Cowlishaw, Rick McGuire, Mark Hessling, David Ashley, and a whole host
of Rexx
experts.  The signal to noise ratio is roughly infinity (for a
sufficiently
large value of NUMERIC DIGITS).

Think of it as the cheapest Rexx software support contract you can buy.

-Chip-

On 2/5/10 20:36 Jeff Hennick said:
> First, please someone, tell us what the money currently is used for.  
> And what a member gets for the money.  I tried finding it on the
> rexxla.org site, but could not.  Indeed, could find little there.  
> (Except: Under Construction )

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[David Requena]

I beg your pardon?

IIRC that section of RexxLA's website wasn?t under construction! Wasn't it
24$ yearly?
ah! ok, haven't read the part below.

I'll be joining as soon as I have the time to write a proper presentation to
the list. I have so much pending witting here at the moment..

2010/2/5 Chip Davis <[hidden email]>

> Well, apparently David could use twelve bucks... ;-)  That way we could get
> him onboard three months early.  :-))
>
> -Chip-
>
>
> On 2/5/10 19:34 Kermit Kiser said:
>
>> Whoa! It had not occurred to me that RexxLA membership cost could be an
>> obstacle. I may not have a lot financially but I would be happy to
>> contribute to a "scholarship" type fund to help those in areas of the world
>> where such need could be a problem.
>>
>> Is this a good idea? Anyone know if there is a need?
>>
>> -- Kermit
>>
>>
>> David Requena wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> That's a sensible advise, Thomas.
>>>
>>> I'll surely joining in the near future.
>>> Annual wages are quite low but maybe waiting untill may the 2nd but make
>>> more sense from an investment perspective :-)
>>>
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Ibm-netrexx mailing list
> [hidden email]
>
>

--
Saludos / Regards,
David Requena
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