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[Kermit Kiser]

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[Thomas.Schneider.Wien]

Hello Kermit,
   as I said: Congratulations to what You did! Excellent!

When you *do have spare time* :-)  ??

Please setup a "beginner's" TUTORIAL (may be PowerPoint?)  and reference,
how/what you did with both your NetRexx IDE and this magic
implementation on Android!

This, for sure, is fantastic.... :-)

Thomas Schneider.

IT-Consulting.

www.db-123.com
www.Rexx2Nrx.com
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Kermit Kiser schrieb:

> This probably should be cross-posted to the NetRexx list since it is
> mostly about NetRexx and there may be some people not on both lists.
>
> The latest Google update says that there are now 275 users of the
> first NetRexx Android application after less than 24 hours.
>
> -- Kermit
>
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> Subject: Re: [RexxLA] Android (was New Word)
> Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:45:21 -0800
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> Hi Thomas;
>
> Thanks for your help testing my first NetRexx application for Android
> devices.
>
> I posted some info about the IDE I have been building on my web site:
> http://kermitkiser.com/AndRexx
>  
> The documentation there gives some hints about the setup and process
> to build an Android application using NetRexx. It is a little bit
> tricky so I have been considering adding some kind of how-to guide
> with tips on programming for Android.
>
> My first tip:  Use minSdk of 3 (Android 1.5) and targetSdk of 4 (1.6)
> because 30% of phones are still 1.5 but 1.5 won't auto sign
> applications at build and only 30% of phones are beyond 1.6 so you
> don't want to risk using later features if you want to support most
> phones.
>
> You definitely need something like the IDE that I am developing
> because the only way to figure out how things really work in Android
> is to try lots of things (The documentation for Android is not very
> good and often consists of advice to "read the code". Well, I don't do
> Java or Eclipse, so I manage the best I can.). I compile and install
> my application on the emulator devices a lot! The build sequence is
> complex and can't be done manually.
>
> Android code is very "object oriented" so I am not sure how you would
> manage that with classic Rexx but it would be interesting to have
> someone try it.
>
> I am still considering whether or not to release the source code to my
> first application for these reasons:
>
> 1) It is my first Android application so it is a bit crude and may not
> be the best example of good programming.
> 2) I am hoping to produce a commercial version of the application
> which people might pay $$ for and it will be based on this code to
> some extent.
> 3) I am not quite sure how to distribute source for a NetRexx Android
> application since it consists of a combination of xml layout files,
> png graphics files, audio files, NetRexx source files, the NetRexx
> runtime jar library, and custom properties and xml build files for
> Ant, all in a complex directory structure.
> 4) There is no developer documentation for this application and very
> little in the source code itself since I am the lone developer. It's
> mostly in my head.
>
> I will probably release it anyway if anyone else starts developing for
> Android with NetRexx and wants a code example.
>
> You may not have the latest version of the "OneTouch Timer"
> application Thomas - it now has a little green clock icon I got from
> the Crystal set and an alarm track I custom designed to "wake the
> dead". You will be interested to know that I uploaded it to the Google
> Market a few hours ago, so you can install it from there as well as
> from my web site if your Android phone has access to the market. The
> market "Developer Console" tells me that within about 3 hours the
> application had 144 downloads of which 130 (~90%) still have it
> installed. I hope that indicates that it is possible to write an
> application in NetRexx which the public will use. BTW, only three of
> those people bothered to rate the application but all three ratings
> were 5 stars and the two comments left were quite favorable. It /can/
> be done!
>
>
> Thanks again,
> -- Kermit
>
>
> Thomas Schneider wrote:
>> Hello Kermit & all,
>>     there are GOOD news from my side:
>>
>> Kermit,
>>
>> I did download your OneTouch Timer Free successfully from the URL you
>> indicated to my
>> brand new Android RedBullMobile without any problems.
>>
>> ... and after 'installing it' (I didn't find the right button the first
>> time how to install it :-()
>> it does RUN without any problems (on my Android RedBullMobile Handy).
>>
>> Great work. My congratulations!
>>
>> Now, I would like to ask you, whether you are willing to *distribute*
>> and *open* your knowledge,
>> about what you did, to us, who we have obviously less knowledge than you
>> do...
>>
>> Let me tell you the reason why I'm asking:
>>
>> This would imply, for my upcoming Rexx2Nrx 7.00 release (called Rey
>> (Rexx for Java) for brevity),
>> that someone could use both NetRexx and even 'classic Rexx' to develop
>> ANDROID
>> applications...
>>
>> That might be a major breakthru....
>>
>> As some other members (both at  REXXLA and ibm-netrexx) might be
>> interested in
>> the techniques you did use to  build your .apk-file  (I am assuming this
>> means an Android Package),
>> I'm copying both those groups for their information.
>>
>> Also, could you *please* point me (and us) to the docs and NetRexx Source
>> of this tiny application, please ?
>>
>> This would help me (and probably all others as well) a Lot :-)
>>
>> Let me tell you what I did find out on my RedBullMobile for your tiny appl:
>>
>> -- It downloaded without any problems from the URL you gave.
>> -- It installed without any problems.
>> -- I even got the ICON, but I did originally think it's a standard
>> RedBull application.
>> I didn't relalize, it was YOURS !
>> --  It runs without any problem, both in the VERTICAL *and* the  HORIZONTAL
>> pane...
>>
>> The only complaint, if any, would be that 'THE RING TONE" is too *quiet*
>> fo my ooold ears :-(.
>> Everything else seems to work fine !
>>
>> Congratulations, by the way, and please *share*, what you did, either
>> thru these Communities
>> or on your home-page, or send me a private mail, when you prefer ....
>>
>> Tom. (Thomas Schneider)
>>
>> www.db-123.com
>> www.Rexx2Nrx.com
>>
>> FaceBook ID: Thomas.Schneider.Wien
>> SKYPE ID    : Thomas.Schneider.Wien
>>
>> Google mail   : Thomas.Schneider.Wien (on my RedBull Handy)
>>
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>> Kermit Kiser schrieb:
>>  
>>> Hi Thomas;
>>>
>>> I guess I should have cross-posted my latest message to the
>>> IBM-NetRexx list here. If you are
>>> asking about creating Android applications with NetRexx, the answer is
>>> yes - I have been doing that
>>> successfully for a couple of months now. If you are asking about
>>> running ooRexx or NetRexx as a
>>> scripting language on the Android platform, I think the answer is no -
>>> for some reason, the ASE
>>> (Android Scripting Environment) developers don't seem to be using any
>>> existing scripting framework
>>> such as JSR223 or BSF at present. I do not have time to research this
>>> currently or to ask them any
>>> questions about it. Perhaps later.
>>>
>>> Here is the important stuff from my recent post to the IBM-NetRexx list:
>>>
>>> I finally found the time to document and zip up my prototype Android
>>> NetRexx IDE and upload it. It is still in an early test state and not
>>> guaranteed to do anything, but at least it is out there in case anyone
>>> is interested in trying it out.
>>>
>>> Documentation:  
>>> http://kermitkiser.com/AndRexx/Android%20NetRexx%20IDE%20prototype.html
>>>
>>> Zip file:  
>>> http://kermitkiser.com/AndRexx/Android_NetRexx_IDE_prototype.zip
>>>
>>> You can also find a free timer application for Android which I am
>>> currently developing and which is probably the world's first real
>>> Android application written in NetRexx on my Android NetRexx project
>>> page. I have been testing it on my Motorola Droid phone.
>>>
>>> http://kermitkiser.com/AndRexx
>>>
>>> Have fun!
>>>
>>> -- Kermit
>>>
>>>
>>> Thomas Schneider wrote:
>>>    
>>>> Hi Chip & all,
>>>>     a NEW word is a new *WORD*.
>>>>
>>>> Hence, RexxOid is very simlila to Android, is'nt it?
>>>>
>>>> By the way, as I do have a new RedBull (Huawai) Handy, which does has
>>>> Android (from Google) there...
>>>>
>>>> Has anybody of you already *experimented* to get ooRexx or NetRexx
>>>> running on an Android based Mobile?
>>>>
>>>> Happy and prosperous new year, 2010, to all of you, by the way.....
>>>> Tom.
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>>>>      
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