Fwd: [platform-dev] Re: [nbdt] Announcing the Quorum Programming Language

[ThSITC]

For your info! Thomas.

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Interesting. A comparison with Java would be nice.

Upon a first glance I see we have multiple inheritance, but other than that we could probably have a Quorum to Java source-code translator.

--emi

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:35 AM, Andreas Stefik <[hidden email]> wrote:

All,

I am pleased to announce the public release of a new programming
language developed by my research lab: Quorum. Quorum is a new Java
Virtual Machine (JVM) language designed in empirical studies to be
easy to understand and use. The broad goal of our language design work
is to refine the syntax and semantics of the language using the
scientific method, iteratively adjusting it to be simpler and more
intuitive. Several empirical studies have been published on the
language, including one recent experiment, which showed that novices
using Quorum were able to do so significantly more accurately than
those using a typical C-style syntax. Here are some of the major
features in our first public release:

1.Compiles to Java bytecode.
2.Available either as a bundle integrated into the NetBeans platform
or through a command line client.
3.Compiler plugin architecture, allowing for extensions to be built
using standard Java.
4.A custom syntax, which research has shown is easily understood by
novices and programmers. We do regular experiments on the syntax and
invite other research labs to conduct experiments showing how to make
the language itself easier to understand or use (for humans).
5.Object-oriented language, with many typical features (e.g., objects,
inheritance).

For those interested, here is a link to where you can download the
command-line client for Quorum:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/quorum/ and basic documentation can be
found on the Trac site: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/quorum/

And as always, a sincere thanks to many of those in the programming
community, which have provided inspiration to keep working on this
(long and extremely complex) project, for occasional technical
support, and a broad willingness share ideas.

Cheers,

Andreas Stefik, Ph.D.
Department of Computer Science
Southern Illinois University Edwardsville

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[Tom Maynard]

On 2/2/2012 5:16 AM, Thomas Schneider wrote:

For your info! Thomas.

I can only hope, Thomas, that you cross-posted something about NetRexx to the Quorum list as well.  While it's highly unlikely that it might generate some additional interest in NetRexx (academics are tightly bound to their own research, after all), it could provide food for thought ... much as you had hoped cross-posting here might do.

Both are equally unlikely outcomes.  And cross-posting is still always a bad idea.

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[billfen]

Interesting little language.  It looks like Rexx in some respects - they use "Say" for the print statement, comments are the same, no ending semicolons, etc.  It would be interesting to know if they just borrowed from Rexx, or reinvented the wheel.  Since is was designed as an object oriented language rather than evolving as NetRexx did, it may have some minor advantages, but I believe NetRexx is somewhat more powerful. 

No doubt Thomas will like the IF statement since it always requires END, as does the ELSE statement.

It is open source, and implemented using an Antlr parser.  It's not clear to me if standard Java classes can be invoked - I haven't downloaded it to try it, nor have I analyzed the syntax in detail.

Apparently the syntax does not allow for continuation statements.  :)


On 2/2/2012 6:16 AM, Thomas Schneider wrote:

For your info! Thomas.

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Betreff:	[platform-dev] Re: [nbdt] Announcing the Quorum Programming Language
Datum:	Thu, 2 Feb 2012 09:35:52 +0200
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Interesting. A comparison with Java would be nice.

Upon a first glance I see we have multiple inheritance, but other than that we could probably have a Quorum to Java source-code translator.

--emi

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:35 AM, Andreas Stefik <[hidden email]> wrote:

All,

I am pleased to announce the public release of a new programming
language developed by my research lab: Quorum. Quorum is a new Java
Virtual Machine (JVM) language designed in empirical studies to be
easy to understand and use. The broad goal of our language design work
is to refine the syntax and semantics of the language using the
scientific method, iteratively adjusting it to be simpler and more
intuitive. Several empirical studies have been published on the
language, including one recent experiment, which showed that novices
using Quorum were able to do so significantly more accurately than
those using a typical C-style syntax. Here are some of the major
features in our first public release:

1.Compiles to Java bytecode.
2.Available either as a bundle integrated into the NetBeans platform
or through a command line client.
3.Compiler plugin architecture, allowing for extensions to be built
using standard Java.
4.A custom syntax, which research has shown is easily understood by
novices and programmers. We do regular experiments on the syntax and
invite other research labs to conduct experiments showing how to make
the language itself easier to understand or use (for humans).
5.Object-oriented language, with many typical features (e.g., objects,
inheritance).

For those interested, here is a link to where you can download the
command-line client for Quorum:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/quorum/ and basic documentation can be
found on the Trac site: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/quorum/

And as always, a sincere thanks to many of those in the programming
community, which have provided inspiration to keep working on this
(long and extremely complex) project, for occasional technical
support, and a broad willingness share ideas.

Cheers,

Andreas Stefik, Ph.D.
Department of Computer Science
Southern Illinois University Edwardsville

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[rvjansen]

As I understand it, when you want to print, you say print, and 'say' will actually speak the text over your sound system.

René.

On 2 feb. 2012, at 17:23, Bill Fenlason wrote:

Interesting little language.  It looks like Rexx in some respects - they use "Say" for the print statement, comments are the same, no ending semicolons, etc.  It would be interesting to know if they just borrowed from Rexx, or reinvented the wheel.  Since is was designed as an object oriented language rather than evolving as NetRexx did, it may have some minor advantages, but I believe NetRexx is somewhat more powerful. 

No doubt Thomas will like the IF statement since it always requires END, as does the ELSE statement.

It is open source, and implemented using an Antlr parser.  It's not clear to me if standard Java classes can be invoked - I haven't downloaded it to try it, nor have I analyzed the syntax in detail.

Apparently the syntax does not allow for continuation statements.  :)


On 2/2/2012 6:16 AM, Thomas Schneider wrote:

For your info! Thomas.

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Betreff:	[platform-dev] Re: [nbdt] Announcing the Quorum Programming Language
Datum:	Thu, 2 Feb 2012 09:35:52 +0200
Von:	Emilian Bold [hidden email]
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An:	[hidden email]
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Interesting. A comparison with Java would be nice.

Upon a first glance I see we have multiple inheritance, but other than that we could probably have a Quorum to Java source-code translator.

--emi

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 5:35 AM, Andreas Stefik <[hidden email]> wrote:

All,

I am pleased to announce the public release of a new programming
language developed by my research lab: Quorum. Quorum is a new Java
Virtual Machine (JVM) language designed in empirical studies to be
easy to understand and use. The broad goal of our language design work
is to refine the syntax and semantics of the language using the
scientific method, iteratively adjusting it to be simpler and more
intuitive. Several empirical studies have been published on the
language, including one recent experiment, which showed that novices
using Quorum were able to do so significantly more accurately than
those using a typical C-style syntax. Here are some of the major
features in our first public release:

1.Compiles to Java bytecode.
2.Available either as a bundle integrated into the NetBeans platform
or through a command line client.
3.Compiler plugin architecture, allowing for extensions to be built
using standard Java.
4.A custom syntax, which research has shown is easily understood by
novices and programmers. We do regular experiments on the syntax and
invite other research labs to conduct experiments showing how to make
the language itself easier to understand or use (for humans).
5.Object-oriented language, with many typical features (e.g., objects,
inheritance).

For those interested, here is a link to where you can download the
command-line client for Quorum:
http://sourceforge.net/projects/quorum/ and basic documentation can be
found on the Trac site: http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/quorum/

And as always, a sincere thanks to many of those in the programming
community, which have provided inspiration to keep working on this
(long and extremely complex) project, for occasional technical
support, and a broad willingness share ideas.

Cheers,

Andreas Stefik, Ph.D.
Department of Computer Science
Southern Illinois University Edwardsville

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[billfen]

Guess I missed that.  Could Rexx use a "speak" statement?  :)
Bill

On 2/2/2012 6:09 PM, René Jansen wrote:

As I understand it, when you want to print, you say print, and 'say' will actually speak the text over your sound system.

René.

On 2 feb. 2012, at 17:23, Bill Fenlason wrote:

Interesting little language.  It looks like Rexx in some respects - they use "Say" for the print statement, comments are the same, no ending semicolons, etc.  It would be interesting to know if they just borrowed from Rexx, or reinvented the wheel.  Since is was designed as an object oriented language rather than evolving as NetRexx did, it may have some minor advantages, but I believe NetRexx is somewhat more powerful. 

No doubt Thomas will like the IF statement since it always requires END, as does the ELSE statement.

It is open source, and implemented using an Antlr parser.  It's not clear to me if standard Java classes can be invoked - I haven't downloaded it to try it, nor have I analyzed the syntax in detail.

Apparently the syntax does not allow for continuation statements.  :)

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[Mike Cowlishaw]

 

 

Guess I missed that.  Could Rexx use a "speak" statement?  :)
Bill
 

It already has one; it's written 'say'.  :-)   I always intended that display (on screen), print (on paper), or speak (aloud) according to the user's preference ...  :-)

 

 

 
On 2/2/2012 6:09 PM, René Jansen wrote:

As I understand it, when you want to print, you say print, and 'say' will actually speak the text over your sound system.

René.

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[ThSITC]

I *personally think* that CROSS-Posting NOW and THEN some important news
on Computer Languages to this group might keep us all informed what's going on
in the field of computer Languages.

By the way, I did just add a LINK to www.rexxla.org and www.netrexx.org on some
ongoing actibities on FaceBook Causes !

.And, for sure, will add some more links on my FaceBook Adress Thomas.Schneider.Wien
and my home-page www.thsitc.com *very soon* :-)

Thomas Schneider.
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Am 02.02.2012 17:15, schrieb Tom Maynard:

On 2/2/2012 5:16 AM, Thomas Schneider wrote:

For your info! Thomas.

I can only hope, Thomas, that you cross-posted something about NetRexx to the Quorum list as well.  While it's highly unlikely that it might generate some additional interest in NetRexx (academics are tightly bound to their own research, after all), it could provide food for thought ... much as you had hoped cross-posting here might do.

Both are equally unlikely outcomes.  And cross-posting is still always a bad idea.

Tom.

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[Davis, James (NIH/CIT) [E]]

 

Actually, something like that would be handy for disabled users.  In the days of OS/2 I considered a Presentation Manager object with a Present method which would do precisely what you described.  This is very doable for text, but not very feasible for a GUI interface.   …maybe well-structured html.

 

James Davis

National Institutes of Health

 

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Guess I missed that.  Could Rexx use a "speak" statement?  :)
Bill
 

It already has one; it's written 'say'.  :-)   I always intended that display (on screen), print (on paper), or speak (aloud) according to the user's preference ...  :-)

 

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[Mike Cowlishaw]

Pretty easy to do already; see: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1040655/ms-speech-from-command-line for several options.

 

Mike

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Actually, something like that would be handy for disabled users.  In the days of OS/2 I considered a Presentation Manager object with a Present method which would do precisely what you described.  This is very doable for text, but not very feasible for a GUI interface.   …maybe well-structured html.

 

James Davis

National Institutes of Health

 

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Guess I missed that.  Could Rexx use a "speak" statement?  :)
Bill
 

It already has one; it's written 'say'.  :-)   I always intended that display (on screen), print (on paper), or speak (aloud) according to the user's preference ...  :-)

 

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[ThSITC]

Hi Mike, and all:

I would (and did, in my implementation) simply add 'speak' and 'print' as verbs :-)
Thomas.
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Am 03.02.2012 15:07, schrieb Davis, James (NIH/CIT) [E]:

 

Actually, something like that would be handy for disabled users.  In the days of OS/2 I considered a Presentation Manager object with a Present method which would do precisely what you described.  This is very doable for text, but not very feasible for a GUI interface.   …maybe well-structured html.

 

James Davis

National Institutes of Health

 

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Guess I missed that.  Could Rexx use a "speak" statement?  :)
Bill
 

It already has one; it's written 'say'.  :-)   I always intended that display (on screen), print (on paper), or speak (aloud) according to the user's preference ...  :-)

 

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On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Mike Cowlishaw <[hidden email]> wrote:

Pretty easy to do already; see: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1040655/ms-speech-from-command-line for several options.

 

Mike

 

It may be of interest to know that the Windows Speech API is available to scripts. For instance, this line of Javascript :
   new ActiveXObject("SAPI.SpVoice").Speak(WScript.Arguments(0));
saved as e.g., Say.js and invoked in the Run box with a command like this:
   wscript say.js "Hello World"
will produce spoken output. I'll have to leave it to others to say if NetRexxScript can use the SAPI.
Hugh

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[Davis, James (NIH/CIT) [E]]

Thanks all, for these interesting examples.

 

I was thinking of an object; a “general purpose presentation manager”, whose job it would be to “present” a piece of information to a user in some “presentation-mode”: (audio, print, gui-app, html, etc), preferably in a meaningful way.  Depending on the information, all sorts of meta-information (and machine intelligence) would be needed.  It is interesting to consider how data and apps would need to be structured to accomplish this.

 

James

 

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On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 2:58 PM, Mike Cowlishaw <[hidden email]> wrote:

Pretty easy to do already; see: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1040655/ms-speech-from-command-line for several options.

 

Mike

 

It may be of interest to know that the Windows Speech API is available to scripts. For instance, this line of Javascript :
   new ActiveXObject("SAPI.SpVoice").Speak(WScript.Arguments(0));
saved as e.g., Say.js and invoked in the Run box with a command like this:
   wscript say.js "Hello World"
will produce spoken output. I'll have to leave it to others to say if NetRexxScript can use the SAPI.
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[Fernando Cassia-2]

On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:58, Mike Cowlishaw <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Pretty easy to do already; see:
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1040655/ms-speech-from-command-line for
> several options.
>
> Mike

Hi Mike,

That would be very windows-centric. ;)

Much better to use a TTS (Text to speech) API written in Java

http://freetts.sourceforge.net/docs/index.php

"FreeTTS is a speech synthesis system written entirely in the JavaTM
programming language. It is based upon Flite: a small run-time speech
synthesis engine developed at Carnegie Mellon University. Flite is
derived from the Festival Speech Synthesis System from the University
of Edinburgh and the FestVox project from Carnegie Mellon University."

FC
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[ThSITC]

Actually, I personally am experimenting with Text Aloud, from AT&T, for
speech output... :-)
Thomas.
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Am 03.02.2012 21:01, schrieb Fernando Cassia:

> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 11:58, Mike Cowlishaw<[hidden email]>  wrote:
>> Pretty easy to do already; see:
>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1040655/ms-speech-from-command-line for
>> several options.
>>
>> Mike
> Hi Mike,
>
> That would be very windows-centric. ;)
>
> Much better to use a TTS (Text to speech) API written in Java
>
> http://freetts.sourceforge.net/docs/index.php
>
> "FreeTTS is a speech synthesis system written entirely in the JavaTM
> programming language. It is based upon Flite: a small run-time speech
> synthesis engine developed at Carnegie Mellon University. Flite is
> derived from the Festival Speech Synthesis System from the University
> of Edinburgh and the FestVox project from Carnegie Mellon University."
>
> FC

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Asscociation (www.rexxla.org) Member of the NetRexx Developer's Team
(www.netrexx.org)

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[Mike Cowlishaw]

 
Hi,

> Hi Mike,
>
> That would be very windows-centric. ;)
>
> Much better to use a TTS (Text to speech) API written in Java

Definitely -- for some reason I thought I was replying to a general Rexx
question not a NetRexx one -- sorry.

Mike

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[Kermit Kiser]

Thomas -

I have an idea why you are having trouble completing your projects. In these days there are many information sources with an almost unlimited flood of technical information available each day. The only way that we can remain effective in our work is to VERY selectively limit the amount of information we have to scan on a daily basis so that we can keep time available to work. That is why cross-posting is a VERY VERY VERY BAD idea - it makes it difficult for us to filter the information flow to those items which may be relevant to our current projects.  It makes us all less effective and slows down our development progress. If everyone did it, we would accomplish exactly zero!

-- Kermit


On 2/3/2012 4:22 AM, Thomas Schneider wrote:

I *personally think* that CROSS-Posting NOW and THEN some important news
on Computer Languages to this group might keep us all informed what's going on
in the field of computer Languages.

By the way, I did just add a LINK to www.rexxla.org and www.netrexx.org on some
ongoing actibities on FaceBook Causes !

.And, for sure, will add some more links on my FaceBook Adress Thomas.Schneider.Wien
and my home-page www.thsitc.com *very soon* :-)

Thomas Schneider.
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Am 02.02.2012 17:15, schrieb Tom Maynard:

On 2/2/2012 5:16 AM, Thomas Schneider wrote:

For your info! Thomas.

I can only hope, Thomas, that you cross-posted something about NetRexx to the Quorum list as well.  While it's highly unlikely that it might generate some additional interest in NetRexx (academics are tightly bound to their own research, after all), it could provide food for thought ... much as you had hoped cross-posting here might do.

Both are equally unlikely outcomes.  And cross-posting is still always a bad idea.

Tom.

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[ThSITC]

Sorry to say,
   *Kermit*, and all,

*I do personally totally DISAGREE*

Whil'st I am now 65 years old, I'm still *trying* to be up-to-date with any *andor/* developmenens in any &all IT areas.

This has been my JOB my whole Business-lifetime,

and I *personally* do not see any reason (for me) to stop this my interest

Concurrently, I'm interested in playing MUSIC, at the PIANO, talk with anybody, or whatever does come to
my mind.

This, my personal, attitude might be also the reason why I'm sending from time to time *unsolicited* e-mails.

By the way:

I'm still trying to read any and all responses, but I am again asking for:

***************   FREE DOM **************************************

Massa Thomas.   ;-) ;-) ;-)
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Am 04.02.2012 21:34, schrieb Kermit Kiser:

Thomas -

I have an idea why you are having trouble completing your projects. In these days there are many information sources with an almost unlimited flood of technical information available each day. The only way that we can remain effective in our work is to VERY selectively limit the amount of information we have to scan on a daily basis so that we can keep time available to work. That is why cross-posting is a VERY VERY VERY BAD idea - it makes it difficult for us to filter the information flow to those items which may be relevant to our current projects.  It makes us all less effective and slows down our development progress. If everyone did it, we would accomplish exactly zero!

-- Kermit


On 2/3/2012 4:22 AM, Thomas Schneider wrote:

I *personally think* that CROSS-Posting NOW and THEN some important news
on Computer Languages to this group might keep us all informed what's going on
in the field of computer Languages.

By the way, I did just add a LINK to www.rexxla.org and www.netrexx.org on some
ongoing actibities on FaceBook Causes !

.And, for sure, will add some more links on my FaceBook Adress Thomas.Schneider.Wien
and my home-page www.thsitc.com *very soon* :-)

Thomas Schneider.
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Am 02.02.2012 17:15, schrieb Tom Maynard:

On 2/2/2012 5:16 AM, Thomas Schneider wrote:

For your info! Thomas.

I can only hope, Thomas, that you cross-posted something about NetRexx to the Quorum list as well.  While it's highly unlikely that it might generate some additional interest in NetRexx (academics are tightly bound to their own research, after all), it could provide food for thought ... much as you had hoped cross-posting here might do.

Both are equally unlikely outcomes.  And cross-posting is still always a bad idea.

Tom.

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