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IDEA: Netrexx installer for Netbeans

Fernando Cassia-2
I´ve never developed a plug-in for NetBeans, but thinking aloud....

Would it be posible to code a "NetRexx installer for Netbeans" that
takes care of downloading a NetRexx build from some http:// location
on the Net, install it, set up all the required paths etc and let the
user, after a single click, begin coding NetRexx from NetBeans?

This would be the closest possible to Netbeans packaging Netrexx along
with the IDE, which I´m sure will never happen. ;)

FC

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ThSITC
Hello Fernando,
    as I did plan to write a NetBeans plugin for the Netbeans IDE for
NetRexx (using by own NetRexx Parser),
I did sibscribe the platform-dev group of NetBeans a year ago.

    May I suggest that you DO subscribe this group?

    They are distributing & disseminating very valuable information
about the current state if the
NetBeans RCP newest releases, and answering any questions like your's
*instantly* like
on IBM-NetRexx, but with an OPEN Development group.

    Very valuable information, questions, and answer, indeed!

Thomas.

PS: Due to another focus of mine currently, and a heavy workload, I've
NOT yet started
already with m NetRexx plugin for Netbeans, but jst collecting knowledge
about this
very impressive development they are doing there!

Happy Easter to you all, anyway.

Tom.
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Am 17.04.2011 07:41, schrieb Fernando Cassia:

> I´ve never developed a plug-in for NetBeans, but thinking aloud....
>
> Would it be posible to code a "NetRexx installer for Netbeans" that
> takes care of downloading a NetRexx build from some http:// location
> on the Net, install it, set up all the required paths etc and let the
> user, after a single click, begin coding NetRexx from NetBeans?
>
> This would be the closest possible to Netbeans packaging Netrexx along
> with the IDE, which I´m sure will never happen. ;)
>
> FC
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Re: IDEA: Netrexx installer for Netbeans

Fernando Cassia-2
Thanks Thomas, and thanks for the helpful information.

Agnostically yours ;)
FC

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> Happy Easter to you all, anyway.
>
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ThSITC
What does mean: *Agnostically your's*

As I'm speaking german, as my mother tongue, *I do NOT know what you de
mean to say* !!

Sorry about that,
Thomas.
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Am 17.04.2011 15:22, schrieb Fernando Cassia:

> Thanks Thomas, and thanks for the helpful information.
>
> Agnostically yours ;)
> FC
>
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Thomas Schneider
> <[hidden email]>  wrote:
>> Happy Easter to you all, anyway.
>>
>> Tom.


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Re: IDEA: Netrexx installer for Netbeans

Fernando Cassia-2
you said happy Easter, and I´m an atheist or agnostic depending on the day. ;)

That´s it, no hidden meaning. I just wanted to point out that I don´t
"celebrate" it or pay particular attention othen than having a non
working day. :)

FC

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Thomas Schneider
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> What does mean: *Agnostically your's*
>
> As I'm speaking german, as my mother tongue, *I do NOT know what you de mean
> to say* !!
>
> Sorry about that,
> Thomas.
> ========================================================================
> Am 17.04.2011 15:22, schrieb Fernando Cassia:
>>
>> Thanks Thomas, and thanks for the helpful information.
>>
>> Agnostically yours ;)
>> FC
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Thomas Schneider
>> <[hidden email]>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Happy Easter to you all, anyway.
>>>
>>> Tom.
>
>
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Re: IDEA: Netrexx installer for Netbeans

ThSITC
Hi Fernando,

   I am trying (amongst other things, like developing my *own NetRexx
Compiler*,
to PROVE (before I'm dead):

1.) there ARE parallel Universes on this, our seen, Universe
2.) Either we are there by CHAOTIC Theories  (decyphered by the well
known CHAOS Theory),
which will imply there is CREATOR (clled GOD in some religion's, of course)
3.) *OR* there *has been a CREATOR ! :-)

    Despite writing computer programs my whole live, I'm really
intersted in this issue.


Join me at FaceBook ID: Thomas.Schneider.Wien

to iscuss this, as this issue (beeing a'gno'stic (note the imbedded
a'po'stro'phe's), and the
DOUBLE MEANING of the letter 'a' in NATURAL LANGAUGE....

... and look at the upcoming product LOGOS, ther at www.thsitc.com, when
you like.

*and* BOB:

There exist so many languages: :-)

Please do try to learn a couple of them, try to understand their
*semantic's', and then...

You will probably *understand* my view-point (when you like) :-)

Thoas.
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Am 17.04.2011 20:04, schrieb Fernando Cassia:

> you said happy Easter, and I´m an atheist or agnostic depending on the day. ;)
>
> That´s it, no hidden meaning. I just wanted to point out that I don´t
> "celebrate" it or pay particular attention othen than having a non
> working day. :)
>
> FC
>
> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Thomas Schneider
> <[hidden email]>  wrote:
>> What does mean: *Agnostically your's*
>>
>> As I'm speaking german, as my mother tongue, *I do NOT know what you de mean
>> to say* !!
>>
>> Sorry about that,
>> Thomas.
>> ========================================================================
>> Am 17.04.2011 15:22, schrieb Fernando Cassia:
>>> Thanks Thomas, and thanks for the helpful information.
>>>
>>> Agnostically yours ;)
>>> FC
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Thomas Schneider
>>> <[hidden email]>    wrote:
>>>> Happy Easter to you all, anyway.
>>>>
>>>> Tom.
>>
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>>
>
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Re: IDEA: Netrexx installer for Netbeans

rvjansen
Guys,

please give us a break. Everybody is entitled to their opinions. I also have some. Discussing philosophical or religious subjects on this type of list is a bad idea, given the demographic spread of its user base. Please limit the subjects to NetRexx here - try to extend the Rexx class now without breaking things and let us know.

best regards,

René.

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Thomas Schneider <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Fernando,

 I am trying (amongst other things, like developing my *own NetRexx Compiler*,
to PROVE (before I'm dead):

1.) there ARE parallel Universes on this, our seen, Universe
2.) Either we are there by CHAOTIC Theories  (decyphered by the well known CHAOS Theory),
which will imply there is CREATOR (clled GOD in some religion's, of course)
3.) *OR* there *has been a CREATOR ! :-)

  Despite writing computer programs my whole live, I'm really intersted in this issue.


Join me at FaceBook ID: Thomas.Schneider.Wien

to iscuss this, as this issue (beeing a'gno'stic (note the imbedded a'po'stro'phe's), and the
DOUBLE MEANING of the letter 'a' in NATURAL LANGAUGE....

... and look at the upcoming product LOGOS, ther at www.thsitc.com, when you like.

*and* BOB:

There exist so many languages: :-)

Please do try to learn a couple of them, try to understand their *semantic's', and then...

You will probably *understand* my view-point (when you like) :-)

Thoas.
============================================================================


Am 17.04.2011 20:04, schrieb Fernando Cassia:

you said happy Easter, and I´m an atheist or agnostic depending on the day. ;)

That´s it, no hidden meaning. I just wanted to point out that I don´t
"celebrate" it or pay particular attention othen than having a non
working day. :)

FC

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Thomas Schneider
<[hidden email]>  wrote:
What does mean: *Agnostically your's*

As I'm speaking german, as my mother tongue, *I do NOT know what you de mean
to say* !!

Sorry about that,
Thomas.
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Am 17.04.2011 15:22, schrieb Fernando Cassia:
Thanks Thomas, and thanks for the helpful information.

Agnostically yours ;)
FC

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Thomas Schneider
<[hidden email]>    wrote:
Happy Easter to you all, anyway.

Tom.

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Re: IDEA: Netrexx installer for Netbeans

ThSITC
Oh, I do apologize!

It must have been the EASTER time that forced me to change the topic! :-(

Sorry, again, for that!

My apologies. I'll try to change my behaviour (mixing topic's too fast ... :-()

Thomas.
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Am 17.04.2011 22:59, schrieb René Jansen:
Guys,

please give us a break. Everybody is entitled to their opinions. I also have some. Discussing philosophical or religious subjects on this type of list is a bad idea, given the demographic spread of its user base. Please limit the subjects to NetRexx here - try to extend the Rexx class now without breaking things and let us know.

best regards,

René.

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:00 PM, Thomas Schneider <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Fernando,

 I am trying (amongst other things, like developing my *own NetRexx Compiler*,
to PROVE (before I'm dead):

1.) there ARE parallel Universes on this, our seen, Universe
2.) Either we are there by CHAOTIC Theories  (decyphered by the well known CHAOS Theory),
which will imply there is CREATOR (clled GOD in some religion's, of course)
3.) *OR* there *has been a CREATOR ! :-)

  Despite writing computer programs my whole live, I'm really intersted in this issue.


Join me at FaceBook ID: Thomas.Schneider.Wien

to iscuss this, as this issue (beeing a'gno'stic (note the imbedded a'po'stro'phe's), and the
DOUBLE MEANING of the letter 'a' in NATURAL LANGAUGE....

... and look at the upcoming product LOGOS, ther at www.thsitc.com, when you like.

*and* BOB:

There exist so many languages: :-)

Please do try to learn a couple of them, try to understand their *semantic's', and then...

You will probably *understand* my view-point (when you like) :-)

Thoas.
============================================================================


Am 17.04.2011 20:04, schrieb Fernando Cassia:

you said happy Easter, and I´m an atheist or agnostic depending on the day. ;)

That´s it, no hidden meaning. I just wanted to point out that I don´t
"celebrate" it or pay particular attention othen than having a non
working day. :)

FC

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 2:31 PM, Thomas Schneider
<[hidden email]>  wrote:
What does mean: *Agnostically your's*

As I'm speaking german, as my mother tongue, *I do NOT know what you de mean
to say* !!

Sorry about that,
Thomas.
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Am 17.04.2011 15:22, schrieb Fernando Cassia:
Thanks Thomas, and thanks for the helpful information.

Agnostically yours ;)
FC

On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:05 AM, Thomas Schneider
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Happy Easter to you all, anyway.

Tom.

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Re: IDEA: Netrexx installer for Netbeans

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On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 5:59 PM, René Jansen <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Discussing philosophical or religious subjects on this type of list is a bad
> idea,

Open, honest discussion is never a "bad idea".
And two messages (one from Thomas asking for clarification on what I
meant, and then my reply clarifying it) caused you so much grief that
you had to ask that we "give you a break".

The discussion about religious topics never even started, as far as
I´m concerned. And I certainly don´t think this technical list is a
place for that.

Now YOU please give ME a break. It´s not like we were going to start
discussing the Bible or atheism on this list, to begin with.

FC

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Fernando,

no problem, and of course I agree. I am also for open discussion but not here on the NetRexx list - try twitter. My reaction is based on feedback that I receive; the aim here is to keep the list on-topic in order to preserve the attendance as much as possible.

best regards,

René Jansen.



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On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 5:59 PM, René Jansen <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Discussing philosophical or religious subjects on this type of list is a bad
> idea,

Open, honest discussion is never a "bad idea".
And two messages (one from Thomas asking for clarification on what I
meant, and then my reply clarifying it) caused you so much grief that
you had to ask that we "give you a break".

The discussion about religious topics never even started, as far as
I´m concerned. And I certainly don´t think this technical list is a
place for that.

Now YOU please give ME a break. It´s not like we were going to start
discussing the Bible or atheism on this list, to begin with.

FC

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ReyC compiler1.0.0 released.

ThSITC
To repeat, *and* to be on topic:

I'm now, very soon after Easter (2011:-) deivering my ReyC *trial* new classic rexx, Object Rexx, and NetRexx
compiler to the public... :-)

Anybody interested to try/view the source on this group should please proceed to
SUBSCRIBE Group 'ReyC' at www.Kenai.com (when desired).

I will use the ReyC group (on www.kenai.com) to disseminate all the nrerdt things for this,
my, Rexx Compiler.

I'm also opening the source for this piece of my code, *now*.

I don't like to send all the details everytime to ibm-netrexx, of course, as this is a group
evoted to ibm-netrexx .

Also, Group ReyC on www.kenai.com willallow to send attached files, and an open discussion.

From my point of view, when interested, I'm asking you to subscribe this project.

Thus we all might have, in a reasonable time frame, an *alternate NetRexx* compiler
available (when anybody is interested in this).

ReYC, in turn will use a lot of PP modules.

Full stop (from my side).
Thomas.

... and happy EASTER anyway to all of you :-)
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Am 18.04.2011 15:33, schrieb René Jansen:
Fernando,

no problem, and of course I agree. I am also for open discussion but not here on the NetRexx list - try twitter. My reaction is based on feedback that I receive; the aim here is to keep the list on-topic in order to preserve the attendance as much as possible.

best regards,

René Jansen.



On Mon, Apr 18, 2011 at 2:26 PM, Fernando Cassia <[hidden email]> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 5:59 PM, René Jansen <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Discussing philosophical or religious subjects on this type of list is a bad
> idea,

Open, honest discussion is never a "bad idea".
And two messages (one from Thomas asking for clarification on what I
meant, and then my reply clarifying it) caused you so much grief that
you had to ask that we "give you a break".

The discussion about religious topics never even started, as far as
I´m concerned. And I certainly don´t think this technical list is a
place for that.

Now YOU please give ME a break. It´s not like we were going to start
discussing the Bible or atheism on this list, to begin with.

FC

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Re: ReyC compiler1.0.0 released.

Tom Maynard
On 4/18/2011 10:32 PM, Thomas Schneider wrote:
I'm now, very soon after Easter (2011:-) deivering my ReyC *trial* new classic rexx, Object Rexx, and NetRexx
compiler to the public... :-)


Then shouldn't that be ReyC v0.0.1, since this is the first public release?

It seems a bit arrogant to release v1.0.0 onto an unsuspecting audience, don't you think?   I love you like a brother, Thomas, but I would never presume to make an initial release v1.0.  Are you so sure it's ready?

Tom.
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ThSITC
Hello Tom Maynard,

   many thanks for your advise :-)
 
   It will be totally un-important *for me* wether I should call it ReyC 0..0.1 *or* 1.0.0.

When I would not get any other responses to this issue, I will follow Tom Maynard's suggestion and call it
ReyC 0.0.1.

I don't like to be *arrogant*, anyway ;-)

And, as my software will need to be tried and tested by others, starting with 0.0.1 is probably
the better decision :-)

Any objections from anybody?
Thomas.
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Am 19.04.2011 06:13, schrieb Tom Maynard:
On 4/18/2011 10:32 PM, Thomas Schneider wrote:
I'm now, very soon after Easter (2011:-) deivering my ReyC *trial* new classic rexx, Object Rexx, and NetRexx
compiler to the public... :-)


Then shouldn't that be ReyC v0.0.1, since this is the first public release?

It seems a bit arrogant to release v1.0.0 onto an unsuspecting audience, don't you think?   I love you like a brother, Thomas, but I would never presume to make an initial release v1.0.  Are you so sure it's ready?

Tom.
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Re: ReyC compile -- initial release.

Fernando Cassia-2
On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Thomas Schneider
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> Any objections from anybody?

No objections at all, but I´ve subscribed to your reyC mailin list and
proeject page on Kenai.com (horrible choice for a name by Oracle, what
was wrong with Java.net? anyway...), and the download section is
empty. There´s nothing to download, no source code and no binaries...

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Re: ReyC compile -- initial release.

ThSITC
As my current plan is, the source (and the Jar's) will be uploaded *to
my own UNIX server*
on 1. May 2011 (in an SVN),.

Still waiting of some reply from David and Rene wther we should also
replicate the
source on KENAI, or whether it is possible to LINK the KENAI SVN to my
own one.

The reason for my own sever is, that PP will NOT be open sourced, at
least at the current minute,
and require a LICENCE (for PL/I and COBOL).

I'm not yet thru with all the necessary tests and the online-docu on
www.thsitc.com
It's a lot of work! :-(

Thomas.
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Am 19.04.2011 22:28, schrieb Fernando Cassia:

> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Thomas Schneider
> <[hidden email]>  wrote:
>> Any objections from anybody?
> No objections at all, but I´ve subscribed to your reyC mailin list and
> proeject page on Kenai.com (horrible choice for a name by Oracle, what
> was wrong with Java.net? anyway...), and the download section is
> empty. There´s nothing to download, no source code and no binaries...
>
> FC
>


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Re: ReyC compile -- initial release.

David Requena
As I see it the most compelling reason to use one of the several OS project hosting sites is increasing the chances of the project out living its creator (or his interest in it)

Think if NetRexxJe; it was at SF so I could fork and relive it.

On the other hand, think of how many former NetRexx projects' sites have gone into oblivion in the last few years.

-
Saludos / Kind regards,
David Requena

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As my current plan is, the source (and the Jar's) will be uploaded *to
my own UNIX server*
on 1. May 2011 (in an SVN),.

Still waiting of some reply from David and Rene wther we should also
replicate the
source on KENAI, or whether it is possible to LINK the KENAI SVN to my
own one.

The reason for my own sever is, that PP will NOT be open sourced, at
least at the current minute,
and require a LICENCE (for PL/I and COBOL).

I'm not yet thru with all the necessary tests and the online-docu on
www.thsitc.com
It's a lot of work! :-(

Thomas.
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Am 19.04.2011 22:28, schrieb Fernando Cassia:

> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Thomas Schneider
> <[hidden email]>  wrote:
>> Any objections from anybody?
> No objections at all, but I´ve subscribed to your reyC mailin list and
> proeject page on Kenai.com (horrible choice for a name by Oracle, what
> was wrong with Java.net? anyway...), and the download section is
> empty. There´s nothing to download, no source code and no binaries...
>
> FC
>


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Re: ReyC compile -- initial release.

ThSITC
Hello David,

    Having read your comment below, I did decide to put the ReYC Part
OPEN SOURCE on KENAI (project ReyC), *not*
on my own UNIX server.

    But there is now, after this decision, still ONE open issue for
this, from my side, and with the current knowledge
I do have about open SOURCE Licensing:

ReyC does USE and reference a couple of PP modules. PP did arrive,
decenniums ago, as a generalized preprocessor,
originally written in Fortran 77, then rewritten in Classic Rexx (IBM
compiled Rexx) for the Y2K COBOL Project from scratch,
then enhanced for the EURO project, then re-used for Rexx2Nrx, and then
my product DB-123 came along.

PP and DB-123 are commercial products. They do require a LICENCE, and I
am in process to EARN Money out of them.

Now, that would mean that you would need the whole ThSITC.jar (which I'm
just preparing), but only the
ReyC Part (The Rexx Parser (all Rexx dialects), the Rey run-time
package, etc will be OPEN SOURCED).

Thus, the ReyC SVN (on KENAI) will NOT contain *all* sources to compile
everything from scratch.

Also, I'm re-using the Rexx class from MFC, and have NO intent to
rewrite this at all :-) I'm not stupid, it's so well done!

My impression is that ReyC should act as an *experimental* alternate
implementation of NetRexx, probably
with my own extensions to the language, as discussed some time ago on
this list.

Thus we could try new language features, before they become part of
NetRexx3, for instance.

  IBM-NetRexxer's: WHEN I should switch this discussion to group ReyC
only, please let me know.

  As David DID raise this point at ibm-netrexx, I'm replying here, however.

Let us try to come up with the proper decisions until May 1, 2011.
.
Thomas.

PS: Reinhard Walland,

   this would mean that we will most probably install and use the
primary SVN on KENAI, for ease of access
and visibilty as an open source project.
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Am 20.04.2011 21:22, schrieb David Requena:

> As I see it the most compelling reason to use one of the several OS project hosting sites is increasing the chances of the project out living its creator (or his interest in it)
>
> Think if NetRexxJe; it was at SF so I could fork and relive it.
>
> On the other hand, think of how many former NetRexx projects' sites have gone into oblivion in the last few years.
>
> -
> Saludos / Kind regards,
> David Requena
>
> NOTE: The opinions expressed here represent the opinions
> of the authors and do not necessarily represent the opinions
> of those who hold other opinions.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Thomas Schneider<[hidden email]>
> Sender: [hidden email]
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 23:48:22
> To: Fernando Cassia<[hidden email]>
> Reply-To: [hidden email],
>          IBM Netrexx<[hidden email]>
> Cc: ReyC<[hidden email]>; Tom Maynard<[hidden email]>; IBM Netrexx<[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] ReyC compile -- initial release.
>
> As my current plan is, the source (and the Jar's) will be uploaded *to
> my own UNIX server*
> on 1. May 2011 (in an SVN),.
>
> Still waiting of some reply from David and Rene wther we should also
> replicate the
> source on KENAI, or whether it is possible to LINK the KENAI SVN to my
> own one.
>
> The reason for my own sever is, that PP will NOT be open sourced, at
> least at the current minute,
> and require a LICENCE (for PL/I and COBOL).
>
> I'm not yet thru with all the necessary tests and the online-docu on
> www.thsitc.com
> It's a lot of work! :-(
>
> Thomas.
> ======================================================================l
> Am 19.04.2011 22:28, schrieb Fernando Cassia:
>> On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Thomas Schneider
>> <[hidden email]>   wrote:
>>> Any objections from anybody?
>> No objections at all, but I´ve subscribed to your reyC mailin list and
>> proeject page on Kenai.com (horrible choice for a name by Oracle, what
>> was wrong with Java.net? anyway...), and the download section is
>> empty. There´s nothing to download, no source code and no binaries...
>>
>> FC
>>
>


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