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[Tom Maynard]

On 1/10/2012 11:00 AM, Thomas Schneider wrote:

 you can not attach files presently at ibm-netrexx.

That is a feature I did request numerous times in the past, but NO luck up to now...

And, as you have been told numerous times in the past, there are dozens of ways to share files without cluttering up the list.  Here is Kenneth's code, simply copied and pasted into a file: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38416425/example.nrx

I made no attempt to reformat it at all.

Kenneth (or anyone) could easily share the original file in exactly this way, and provide a link here on the list.  Dropbox, Amazon Cloud, Google Docs, ..., take your pick, and they're all free.

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[George Hovey-2]

Tom,
I'm somewhat puzzled by the idea of "selecting a Java GUI tutorial".  It seems to me that the one I pointed at is the only one that matters (are there others, and if so what is their claim to authority?), and if it zigs we had better be prepared to zig too, not zag.  GUI-wise, Java is the dog and we are the tail.

IMO, it would be a feat to improve on the quality of the Java Tutorial, and I don't see that that wheel needs reinventing.  For those issues involving Java, we should provide pointers to the relevant sections of the tutorial, with a gloss explaining their relevance to NetRexx.

Experience in this forum shows that many new NetRexx users want to know how to make use of the Java class library, but do not come from an OO background.  For them, we need to produce a primer on getting control of a class from the library:

• Java types.
• How to use a Javadoc to locate a suitable class and understand its elements.
• The correspondence between a Java and a NetRexx invocation of a method.
• Possibly enough Java language syntax to grasp Java coding examples and translate them to NetRexx.
  
• Other things, no doubt.
  

At this level, the class library is just a utility library and inheritance has no relevance (except for Swing).

On the other hand, programmers coming from a Java background need a pitch selling NetRexx as Java-as-it-might-have-been, if Java hadn't carried the burden of having to look like C++.  In fact, maybe we should consider that as a slogan:

NetRexx: Java as it might have been.

BTW, I favor 'might' over 'could' or 'should' because it seems less off-putting to people who think Java is a pretty good idea as it stands.

I favor deliberately selling NetRexx as a "Java Wrapper" that smooths some Java rough edges.  Of course this doesn't begin to do justice to the idea, but understating the claims may help others to take an open-minded look.  We are too close to the problem: it is really hard to convince 'non-believers' that NetRexx's features amount to something greater than the parts, and it is not just another language in the grip of feature-itis and with an irrational following.  If you can just get people to try it the realization naturally dawns that the language's unity and coherence add up to something life-enhancing.  But try to sell that idea directly and it will sound like Scientology.

On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 2:39 PM, Tom Maynard <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 1/8/2012 1:03 PM, George Hovey wrote:

It's a Java, not a NetRexx, issue

If one digs into this issue even a little bit, it will be seen that Sun/Oracle itself has flip-flopped a few times on what a proper GUI should be, and what exactly constitutes thread safety in a GUI environment.  You could say that Oracle has done a full 360 in their recommendation (an oversimplification, but amusing nonetheless).

What this means in a practical sense is: Be circumspect when selecting a Java GUI tutorial to follow.  Older code may no longer be considered safe code.  (But even older code may! <kidding>).

Speaking generally, if your chosen tutorial makes frequent mention of "the Event Dispatch Thread (EDT)" then you are on pretty solid ground ... at least until Oracle turns the tables again (not likely, but I just can't resist a jab at Sun/Oracle here and there).

NetRexx has no GUI statements.

But: I would love to see MFC's version of a "human centric GUI toolkit." <sigh>

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[kenner]

That is too schade. And with the limit of 100K of text in an e-mail there isn't room for more than one small source file.

Would you like me to send you directly the handfull of programs and frontends I have working at the moment, mein viener Freund?

I can load them all up on Google Docs or MS Skydrive when I get home in 5 hours.


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Kenneth,

you can not attach files presently at ibm-netrexx.

That is a feature I did request numerous times in the past, but NO luck up to now...

Thomas.
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Can I attach files?


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Ken,
That would be awesome. I was and still am very weak in the java gui.
Anything you post to this list would be reviewed and most welcomed.





On 01/06/12 13:20, kenneth.klein@... wrote:
> Sorry, that was my frustration showing. I did get quite a bit of value out
> of his chapter on classes and such.
>
> My "stepping" will soon be an offer of some programs as example code in
> the use of java gui classes and methods with netrexx.  Where might be the
> best place to post some lines of working code?
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> Kenneth Klein
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> This is the code...
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> On 01/04/12 09:24, kenneth.klein@... wrote:
>> Here ya' go...
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>> +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
>> | -- tvec3ds.nrx |01
>> | |02
>> | a = vector3d(1,1,1)    -- define a vector |03
>> | say 'Vector "a" components:' a.components()'.' |04
>> | |05
>> | a.inverse()            -- inverse it |06
>> | say 'Vector "a.inverse()" is' a.components()'.' |07
>> | exit 0 |08
>> | |09
>> +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
>>                                                              tvec3ds.nrx
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On 10 January 2012 10:23, <[hidden email]> wrote:

Would you like me to send you directly the handfull of programs and frontends I have working at the moment, mein viener Freund?

I can load them all up on Google Docs or MS Skydrive when I get home in 5 hours.

Personally I'd rather you post them on Google Docs (or somewhere else on the Intertubes) so that we can all learn from your pain and experience.

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[kenner]

Unfortunately my employer deems dl.dropbox to be "inappropriate for business use".  Amazon.cloud, google docs as well. I could upload them from home.

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On 1/10/2012 11:00 AM, Thomas Schneider wrote:

you can not attach files presently at ibm-netrexx.

That is a feature I did request numerous times in the past, but NO luck up to now...


And, as you have been told numerous times in the past, there are dozens of ways to share files without cluttering up the list.  Here is Kenneth's code, simply copied and pasted into a file: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/38416425/example.nrx

I made no attempt to reformat it at all.

Kenneth (or anyone) could easily share the original file in exactly this way, and provide a link here on the list.  Dropbox, Amazon Cloud, Google Docs, ..., take your pick, and they're all free.

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[kenner]

I will attempt to make these all available when I escape from this "secure" environment.




These are educational programs aimed at memorizing details that could be useful in passing the exam with  the BJCP.
Based on the practical approach of flashcards.  Frontend.jar will show you a question and up to 5 possible answers. The true and false is the same with 2 possible answers. If you answer correctly, you will not be asked that question again.

Frontend2.jar presents questions and will only accept the correct keystrokes in the only answer it knows. Learning is initially hard but accelerates exponentially.

Mineralien is a "fill-in-the-matrix" that will check your answers and steer you in the right direction.

ClassicStyleForm2 will train the user in memorizing the stats for the 75 substyles in the BJCP guidelines.

These are all crude and need many improvements. Some in-line documentation may be wrong. Some code is never used.



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On 10 January 2012 10:23, <kenneth.klein@...> wrote:


Would you like me to send you directly the handfull of programs and frontends I have working at the moment, mein viener Freund?

I can load them all up on Google Docs or MS Skydrive when I get home in 5 hours.



Personally I'd rather you post them on Google Docs (or somewhere else on the Intertubes) so that we can all learn from your pain and experience.

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[Marc Remes-2]

On 01/10/2012 06:45 PM, George Hovey wrote:

> # Possibly enough Java language syntax to grasp Java coding examples and translate them to NetRexx.

Tried java2nrx yet? Not perfect, but a good start.

http://kenai.com/nonav/projects/netrexx/sources/svn-contrib/show/java2nrx?rev=37

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[Tom Maynard]

On 1/10/2012 11:45 AM, George Hovey wrote:
> I'm somewhat puzzled by the idea of "selecting a Java GUI tutorial".  
> It seems to me that the one I pointed at is the only one that matters

A simple Google for "java gui tutorial" will uncover quite a few, and
not everything on the Internet is kept up-to-date.  My caution was to
the OP, and not directed at you.

I have a few books in boxes in my basement that contain excellent Java
GUI coverage ... but they are now completely invalid.

Tom.

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[ThSITC]

Kenneth, Tom,

   1.) I'm personally already using DROPBOX.
   2.) I'm currenlty busy to setup the open source versions of Rexx2Nrx and RexxForm at ww.kenai.com

Hence, I do leve it totally up to this community wether they do allow attached files or not.
I only niticed that nealy all other groups I am a member of do use attached files to exchangeg source files.

Have a good day,
Thomas.
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Am 10.01.2012 19:23, schrieb [hidden email]

That is too schade. And with the limit of 100K of text in an e-mail there isn't room for more than one small source file.

Would you like me to send you directly the handfull of programs and frontends I have working at the moment, mein viener Freund?

I can load them all up on Google Docs or MS Skydrive when I get home in 5 hours.


Kenneth Klein
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Thomas Schneider [hidden email]
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Kenneth,

you can not attach files presently at ibm-netrexx.

That is a feature I did request numerous times in the past, but NO luck up to now...

Thomas.
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Am 10.01.2012 16:27, schrieb [hidden email]



Can I attach files?


Kenneth Klein
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Jerry McBride [hidden email]
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Ken,
That would be awesome. I was and still am very weak in the java gui.
Anything you post to this list would be reviewed and most welcomed.





On 01/06/12 13:20, [hidden email] wrote:
> Sorry, that was my frustration showing. I did get quite a bit of value out
> of his chapter on classes and such.
>
> My "stepping" will soon be an offer of some programs as example code in
> the use of java gui classes and methods with netrexx.  Where might be the
> best place to post some lines of working code?
>
>
> Kenneth Klein
>
> [hidden email]
>
>
>
> Jerry McBride [hidden email]
> Sent by: [hidden email]
> 01/05/2012 05:44 PM
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>
> Subject
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>
>
>
>
>
> Ken,
>
>
> This is the code...
>
>
>
> On 01/04/12 09:24, [hidden email] wrote:
>> Here ya' go...
>
>> +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
>> | -- tvec3ds.nrx |01
>> | |02
>> | a = vector3d(1,1,1)    -- define a vector |03
>> | say 'Vector "a" components:' a.components()'.' |04
>> | |05
>> | a.inverse()            -- inverse it |06
>> | say 'Vector "a.inverse()" is' a.components()'.' |07
>> | exit 0 |08
>> | |09
>> +----------------------------------------------------------------------+
>>                                                              tvec3ds.nrx
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[ThSITC]

Great news, Kenneth!

Please do ask Rene if you couldnt store these educational programs on the

www.netrexx.org

home-page, possibly under a new section www.netrexx.org/education

Thomas.
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Am 10.01.2012 20:22, schrieb [hidden email]

I will attempt to make these all available when I escape from this "secure" environment.




These are educational programs aimed at memorizing details that could be useful in passing the exam with  the BJCP.
Based on the practical approach of flashcards.  Frontend.jar will show you a question and up to 5 possible answers. The true and false is the same with 2 possible answers. If you answer correctly, you will not be asked that question again.

Frontend2.jar presents questions and will only accept the correct keystrokes in the only answer it knows. Learning is initially hard but accelerates exponentially.

Mineralien is a "fill-in-the-matrix" that will check your answers and steer you in the right direction.

ClassicStyleForm2 will train the user in memorizing the stats for the 75 substyles in the BJCP guidelines.

These are all crude and need many improvements. Some in-line documentation may be wrong. Some code is never used.



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On 10 January 2012 10:23, <[hidden email]> wrote:


Would you like me to send you directly the handfull of programs and frontends I have working at the moment, mein viener Freund?

I can load them all up on Google Docs or MS Skydrive when I get home in 5 hours.



Personally I'd rather you post them on Google Docs (or somewhere else on the Intertubes) so that we can all learn from your pain and experience.

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