NetRexx coding style recommendations

[billfen]

On 12/12/2012 11:59 AM, Mike Cowlishaw wrote:

I did (intentionally) say "just about every", not "every".  :)
 

Yeah but that is an 'in your face' omission -- so much so it seems to be deliberate ...

> That could be.  On the other hand, perhaps the Eclipse designers / implementers are just not enlightened :).  If someone does the work to implement that option, they might very well accept the contribution.

 I agree that is a deficiency, and there others as well, of course.  I rather like the idea of converting back and forth between indentation and explicit braces, and would something along those lines. 

 

I'd also appreciate it if it would let be do my own formatting ...

> I suspect that if you turn off all the preferences that no formatting will be done, but I have not tried that.  Then you can define your own profile with all those (non) settings and it should be more or less automatic. 

> On the other hand, you can always choose to use a different editor (like the text editor) for the java source via "open with...", and it should remember that option as well.  If you provide another editor which lets you do your own reformatting, Eclipse will let you use it.

I am genuinely surprised that you know that much about Eclipse! 

 

Why? .. I was able to avoid it for embedded development (hence Tollos) but it is really hard to avoid for Android programming ....

> It appears to me that most of the Android developers on this list do not use the Eclipse ADT plugin but use JEdit and the Android SDK directly, so that route may be an option for you.  I have not delved into Android programming much, so I don't know what you give up by not using the ADT.

Mike

> Bill

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[Mike Cowlishaw]

I am genuinely surprised that you know that much about Eclipse! 

 

Why? .. I was able to avoid it for embedded development (hence Tollos) but it is really hard to avoid for Android programming ....

> It appears to me that most of the Android developers on this list do not use the Eclipse ADT plugin but use JEdit and the Android SDK directly, so that route may be an option for you.  I have not delved into Android programming much, so I don't know what you give up by not using the ADT.  

 

Possibly there's another option, but the ADT plugin allows one to treat the emulated device and real devices in essentially the same way.    At the moment I am mostly interested in seeing whether the provided APIs for sensors and GPS are adequate or whether I'll have to write my own.   It's looking grim (check out the documentation for drawing graphics, for example). 

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On 12/12/2012 3:11 PM, Mike Cowlishaw wrote:

I am genuinely surprised that you know that much about Eclipse! 

 

Why? .. I was able to avoid it for embedded development (hence Tollos) but it is really hard to avoid for Android programming ....

> It appears to me that most of the Android developers on this list do not use the Eclipse ADT plugin but use JEdit and the Android SDK directly, so that route may be an option for you.  I have not delved into Android programming much, so I don't know what you give up by not using the ADT.  

 

Possibly there's another option, but the ADT plugin allows one to treat the emulated device and real devices in essentially the same way.    At the moment I am mostly interested in seeing whether the provided APIs for sensors and GPS are adequate or whether I'll have to write my own.   It's looking grim (check out the documentation for drawing graphics, for example).

> I'll have to leave it up the the other Android users on this list to comment on that.  I guess you are one of the few that considers the ADT an advantage :)



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[Mike Cowlishaw]

 

I am genuinely surprised that you know that much about Eclipse! 

 

Why? .. I was able to avoid it for embedded development (hence Tollos) but it is really hard to avoid for Android programming ....

> It appears to me that most of the Android developers on this list do not use the Eclipse ADT plugin but use JEdit and the Android SDK directly, so that route may be an option for you.  I have not delved into Android programming much, so I don't know what you give up by not using the ADT.  

 

Possibly there's another option, but the ADT plugin allows one to treat the emulated device and real devices in essentially the same way.    At the moment I am mostly interested in seeing whether the provided APIs for sensors and GPS are adequate or whether I'll have to write my own.   It's looking grim (check out the documentation for drawing graphics, for example).

> I'll have to leave it up the the other Android users on this list to comment on that.  I guess you are one of the few that considers the ADT an advantage :)


 I'm a novice with Android.  What's the disadvantage(s) of the ADT? 

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Mike,

Since no one else has answered your question, you might assume that the perceived disadvantages of learning and using Eclipse outweigh all the advantages that the ADT might have.

I don't believe it is an editor issue, since Eclipse allows any external editor to be used for any file type (eg. nrx, java, etc.), including JEdit, emacs, vim or whatever.  It takes a few clicks to configure, but once done it is automatic.

My conclusion is that there are essentially no experienced Eclipse users that are interested in NetRexx, and few if any NetRexx users that are interested in learning and using Eclipse. 

Bill

On 12/13/2012 11:23 AM, Mike Cowlishaw wrote:

 

I am genuinely surprised that you know that much about Eclipse! 

 

Why? .. I was able to avoid it for embedded development (hence Tollos) but it is really hard to avoid for Android programming ....

> It appears to me that most of the Android developers on this list do not use the Eclipse ADT plugin but use JEdit and the Android SDK directly, so that route may be an option for you.  I have not delved into Android programming much, so I don't know what you give up by not using the ADT.  

 

Possibly there's another option, but the ADT plugin allows one to treat the emulated device and real devices in essentially the same way.    At the moment I am mostly interested in seeing whether the provided APIs for sensors and GPS are adequate or whether I'll have to write my own.   It's looking grim (check out the documentation for drawing graphics, for example).

> I'll have to leave it up the the other Android users on this list to comment on that.  I guess you are one of the few that considers the ADT an advantage :)


 I'm a novice with Android.  What's the disadvantage(s) of the ADT?

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Bill,

You shouldn't confuse silence with lack of interest.  I'm both an experienced Eclipse user and a NetRexx user and remain interested in both technologies and I'm sure there are more like me out there.  I've used the NetRexx plugin for Eclipse and find it very useful.  I'm also very happy with jEdit just to throw together quick test programs; it's a matter "horses for courses".

My conclusion is that there are essentially no experienced Eclipse users that are interested in NetRexx, and few if any NetRexx users that are interested in learning and using Eclipse. 

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[Dave Woodman]

I too use both

 

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Bill,

 

You shouldn't confuse silence with lack of interest.  I'm both an experienced Eclipse user and a NetRexx user and remain interested in both technologies and I'm sure there are more like me out there.  I've used the NetRexx plugin for Eclipse and find it very useful.  I'm also very happy with jEdit just to throw together quick test programs; it's a matter "horses for courses".

 

My conclusion is that there are essentially no experienced Eclipse users that are interested in NetRexx, and few if any NetRexx users that are interested in learning and using Eclipse. 

Bill

 

 

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[Dave Woodman]

I too use both, and believe that I said so only a few days ago. It very much depends on what I am doing – a quick hack – jEdit, a project proper, Eclipse.

 

                Dave

 

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Bill,

 

You shouldn't confuse silence with lack of interest.  I'm both an experienced Eclipse user and a NetRexx user and remain interested in both technologies and I'm sure there are more like me out there.  I've used the NetRexx plugin for Eclipse and find it very useful.  I'm also very happy with jEdit just to throw together quick test programs; it's a matter "horses for courses".

 

My conclusion is that there are essentially no experienced Eclipse users that are interested in NetRexx, and few if any NetRexx users that are interested in learning and using Eclipse. 

Bill

 

 

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[Waite, Dick]

Grand New Day Bill,

 

    There are many on this list that use it as a very good source of information, but don't say much. I think it was three or four years ago I last posted. Eclipse is used, and I think it's used a lot. I still potter around our customers and see the very familiar face of Eclipse, sometimes with a different logo but it's still Eclipse. The company I work with have quite a few UI's that are Eclipse. So please keep up your grand word integrating two very good application together, NetRexx and Eclipse, it *is* being used.

 

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Mike,

Since no one else has answered your question, you might assume that the perceived disadvantages of learning and using Eclipse outweigh all the advantages that the ADT might have.

I don't believe it is an editor issue, since Eclipse allows any external editor to be used for any file type (eg. nrx, java, etc.), including JEdit, emacs, vim or whatever.  It takes a few clicks to configure, but once done it is automatic.

My conclusion is that there are essentially no experienced Eclipse users that are interested in NetRexx, and few if any NetRexx users that are interested in learning and using Eclipse. 

Bill

On 12/13/2012 11:23 AM, Mike Cowlishaw wrote:

 

I am genuinely surprised that you know that much about Eclipse! 

 

Why? .. I was able to avoid it for embedded development (hence Tollos) but it is really hard to avoid for Android programming ....

> It appears to me that most of the Android developers on this list do not use the Eclipse ADT plugin but use JEdit and the Android SDK directly, so that route may be an option for you.  I have not delved into Android programming much, so I don't know what you give up by not using the ADT.  

 

Possibly there's another option, but the ADT plugin allows one to treat the emulated device and real devices in essentially the same way.    At the moment I am mostly interested in seeing whether the provided APIs for sensors and GPS are adequate or whether I'll have to write my own.   It's looking grim (check out the documentation for drawing graphics, for example).

> I'll have to leave it up the the other Android users on this list to comment on that.  I guess you are one of the few that considers the ADT an advantage :)


 I'm a novice with Android.  What's the disadvantage(s) of the ADT?

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Am 13.12.2012 22:57, schrieb Alan Sampson:

Bill,

You shouldn't confuse silence with lack of interest.  I'm both an experienced Eclipse user and a NetRexx user and remain interested in both technologies and I'm sure there are more like me out there.  I've used the NetRexx plugin for Eclipse and find it very useful.  I'm also very happy with jEdit just to throw together quick test programs; it's a matter "horses for courses".

My conclusion is that there are essentially no experienced Eclipse users that are interested in NetRexx, and few if any NetRexx users that are interested in learning and using Eclipse. 

Bill

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