Whither NetRexx
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What is the future of NetRexx?
It's a good question, deserving of a good and considered answer. The future of all software development (outside of the corporate arena) seems to me to be divided into just two camps: 1. Desktop/Webtop 2. Mobile And admittedly one could argue that "webtop" and "mobile" overlap by a wide margin. Perhaps they do (I'm not going to argue the point one way or another). The thrust of this inquiry is: Where should NetRexx focus its internal development efforts? For Option #1, we have the Ruby/Rails/Bowline, Groovy/Grails/Griffon, ..., path to follow. We could implement a NetRexx/Nails/NrxOn toolset, focused on desk/webtop "mainstream" application development, or For Option #2, we could take Kermit's "AndRexx" idea and build a powerful Android (mobile) development toolset (including Eclipse/NetBeans support). Of course we could do nothing and let NetRexx whither on the vine. Where is the Next.Big.Thing going to be? On the Net or on Mobile devices? (Or both??) It is possible to do Android (and iPhone) development using nothing but HTML, PHP, CSS, and some JavaScript. Those apps are limited, of course. They have almost no access to the mobile hardware. But what about NetRexx? If you think the mobile platform will ultimately rule the world ... then perhaps RexxLA and the NetRexx community should focus on cranking out some really solid development tools to suit. If the Desk/Webtop is where it's going to be, then perhaps we should focus on webapp development, with NetRexx at the forefront ... NetRexx/Nails, and/or NetRexx/NrxOn. This is MVC-centric, of course, but it could/might attract a reasonable number of folks eager to abandon Java, and to adopt a simpler syntax. What do you think? Where does the future lie, and how can NetRexx catch a ride on that train? [A voting poll follows (or precedes) this note. Mark your ballot carefully!] _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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Can't vote -- you left out "none of the above".
On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 11:35 PM, Tom Maynard <[hidden email]> wrote: What is the future of NetRexx? _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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In reply to this post by Tom Maynard
I voted.
It's made for Android. It's small and can do it all. This is the first time in many years that I have seen it fit a niche so well. Desktops will still be made and used but more and more people will want / own small low power devices with few moving parts. It's open source now and people like me will make sure it sticks around. It always has been a beautiful piece of work. It also could be a great language to teach to a younger generation. _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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In reply to this post by Tom Maynard
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 01:35, Tom Maynard <[hidden email]> wrote:
> For Option #2, we could take Kermit's "AndRexx" idea and build a powerful > Android (mobile) development toolset (including Eclipse/NetBeans support). Why "AND"(roid)Rexx and not "MobiNetRexx" ;) I´d like to see NetRexx as platform-neutral as possible. And you know there´s more to the mobile-OS world than Android. When/if I get my hands on a MeeGo powered device and/or WebOS (soon-to-be Open Source), my first attempts will be getting OpenJDK compiled for these, I´d also like to see OpenJDK on the Kindle Fire.... ORCL has also indicated that they´ll be blurring the difference between J2ME and Java SE, possibly allowing future Java SE to run midlets without the need of a "MicroEmulator". btw: anybody got a Kindle (the monochrome, e-ink versions, not Fire tablet), and played with its SDK based on Java MIDP midlets? FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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In reply to this post by Jason Monroe Martin
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 02:27, Jason Monroe Martin
<[hidden email]> wrote: > It's open source now and people like me will make sure it sticks around. > It always has been a beautiful piece of work. > It also could be a great language to teach to a younger generation. I believe the unknown name and IBM background also plays a role in its low uptake. I mean, just imagine if instead of NetRexx it´d be called "Easy Java", and it came from someone at Farcebook or Twitter... then you´d get news headlines drooling over the next-big-thing. ;) In fact, that´d be a nice experiment... "how a name and customer perceptions influences technology uptake". Imagine taking the same NetRexx source and building a parallel site with an alternative name, then trumpet the release of an exciting new language (that is actually NetRexx).... and watch it get praised by people who didn´t praise NetRexx. ;) Now, rinse and repeat 20 times. Soon you´ll have 20x the NetRexx installed base, from people who don´t know they´re actually using NetRexx. Now seriously... I think better IDE integration would go a long way. ie, if I could load up Netbeans 7.x or IntelliJ IDEA and start a new "NetRexx project" and click on buttons, draw a Swing GUI and start typing NetRexx code for each button´s "actions", that´d be great. Just my $0.02 FC _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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In reply to this post by Tom Maynard
> For Option #2, we could take Kermit's "AndRexx" idea and > build a powerful Android (mobile) development toolset > (including Eclipse/NetBeans support). <chuckle /> ... might not be the best name for the UK market. See: http://www.andrexpuppy.co.uk/about-andrex-puppy/ Mike _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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In reply to this post by Fernando Cassia-2
I realize that Tom was referring to the Android NetRexx toolkit I
developed, but to avoid future confusion please be aware that AndRexx is the company name I created to market some Android projects developed with NetRexx. -- KK On 1/12/2012 11:33 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 01:35, Tom Maynard<[hidden email]> wrote: >> For Option #2, we could take Kermit's "AndRexx" idea and build a powerful >> Android (mobile) development toolset (including Eclipse/NetBeans support). > Why "AND"(roid)Rexx and not "MobiNetRexx" ;) > > I´d like to see NetRexx as platform-neutral as possible. > And you know there´s more to the mobile-OS world than Android. > > When/if I get my hands on a MeeGo powered device and/or WebOS > (soon-to-be Open Source), my first attempts will be getting OpenJDK > compiled for these, I´d also like to see OpenJDK on the Kindle > Fire.... > > ORCL has also indicated that they´ll be blurring the difference > between J2ME and Java SE, possibly allowing future Java SE to run > midlets without the need of a "MicroEmulator". > > btw: anybody got a Kindle (the monochrome, e-ink versions, not Fire > tablet), and played with its SDK based on Java MIDP midlets? > > FC _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
RE: Whither NetRexx
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In reply to this post by Mike Cowlishaw
1) Nice puppy
2) watch the extra x in Rexx ---- Mike Cowlishaw <[hidden email]> schrieb: > > > For Option #2, we could take Kermit's "AndRexx" idea and > > build a powerful Android (mobile) development toolset > > (including Eclipse/NetBeans support). > > <chuckle /> ... might not be the best name for the UK market. See: > http://www.andrexpuppy.co.uk/about-andrex-puppy/ > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Ibm-netrexx mailing list > [hidden email] > Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ > _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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On 01/13/2012 08:59 AM, Kermit Kiser wrote:
> some Android projects developed with NetRexx Toilet paper for dogs? -- sorry couldn"t resist ; Marc _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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No sh*t! (I couldn't either! :-) )
Andrex has been an established brand here since Tyrannosaurus stalked the earth and the puppy has been stealing the stuff for as long as I can remember. Dave. -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marc Remes Sent: 13 January 2012 08:10 To: IBM Netrexx Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] Whither NetRexx On 01/13/2012 08:59 AM, Kermit Kiser wrote: > some Android projects developed with NetRexx Toilet paper for dogs? -- sorry couldn"t resist ; Marc _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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In reply to this post by Mike Cowlishaw
How about "And Rexx"? :-)
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> For Option #2, we could take Kermit's "AndRexx" idea and > build a powerful Android (mobile) development toolset > (including Eclipse/NetBeans support). <chuckle /> ... might not be the best name for the UK market. See: http://www.andrexpuppy.co.uk/about-andrex-puppy/ Mike _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ Unless stated otherwise above:
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In reply to this post by Fernando Cassia-2
I stayed away from netrexx for years because I thought it was only for coding programs that worked with a network. Kenneth Klein
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 02:27, Jason Monroe Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: > It's open source now and people like me will make sure it sticks around. > It always has been a beautiful piece of work. > It also could be a great language to teach to a younger generation. I believe the unknown name and IBM background also plays a role in its low uptake. I mean, just imagine if instead of NetRexx it´d be called "Easy Java", and it came from someone at Farcebook or Twitter... then you´d get news headlines drooling over the next-big-thing. ;) In fact, that´d be a nice experiment... "how a name and customer perceptions influences technology uptake". Imagine taking the same NetRexx source and building a parallel site with an alternative name, then trumpet the release of an exciting new language (that is actually NetRexx).... and watch it get praised by people who didn´t praise NetRexx. ;) Now, rinse and repeat 20 times. Soon you´ll have 20x the NetRexx installed base, from people who don´t know they´re actually using NetRexx. Now seriously... I think better IDE integration would go a long way. ie, if I could load up Netbeans 7.x or IntelliJ IDEA and start a new "NetRexx project" and click on buttons, draw a Swing GUI and start typing NetRexx code for each button´s "actions", that´d be great. Just my $0.02 FC _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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On 1/12/2012 11:23 PM, George Hovey wrote:
> Can't vote -- you left out "none of the above". > Guilty as charged. Of course I'm sure you realized that the poll itself was only secondary: the real thrust was for folks to don their thinking caps. So, George, for you whither NetRexx? Tom. _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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On 1/13/2012 1:33 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> Why "AND"(roid)Rexx and not "MobiNetRexx" ;) Mostly because the JVM exists on Android, development is typically done in Java, and I have no experience with other mobile platforms. But your point is taken. I need to be more "gender neutral" in my speech. Tom. _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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On 1/13/2012 1:59 AM, Kermit Kiser wrote:
> Tom was referring to the Android NetRexx toolkit I developed, but to > avoid future confusion please be aware that AndRexx is the company > name I created to market some Android projects developed with NetRexx. > I certainly meant no disrespect, confusion, obfuscation, or otherwise. I used your brand name because I felt it would be familiar to the list members. "MobiNetRexx" is equally good, and probably not already taken (not to mention platform-neutral). Keep up the good work, Kermit. Tom. _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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One of the BIG advantages of NetRexx is that it does run on ANY
Platform supporting the JVM, for the
Handy up to the BIG IRON! Without any recompilation! Just my 2 cents . Have a nice week. thomas. =============================================================================== Am 13.01.2012 15:53, schrieb [hidden email]
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In reply to this post by Tom Maynard
Hi Tom, and all,
as far as I do know Rene Vincent Jansen also tried successfully a *crack*, which made Netrexx running at the IPHONE as well. Thomas. ========================================================================================== Am 13.01.2012 16:11, schrieb Tom Maynard: > On 1/13/2012 1:33 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: >> Why "AND"(roid)Rexx and not "MobiNetRexx" ;) > > Mostly because the JVM exists on Android, development is typically > done in Java, and I have no experience with other mobile platforms. > But your point is taken. > > I need to be more "gender neutral" in my speech. > > Tom. > > _______________________________________________ > Ibm-netrexx mailing list > [hidden email] > Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ > > -- Thomas Schneider (Founder of www.thsitc.com) Member of the Rexx Languge Asscociation (www.rexxla.org) Member of the NetRexx Developer's Team (www.netrexx.org) _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/
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In reply to this post by Tom Maynard
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 12:11, Tom Maynard <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Mostly because the JVM exists on Android, development is typically done in > Java, and I have no experience with other mobile platforms. But your point > is taken. J2ME is still big, more big than what the marketing drones at Google or Apple would want us to believe. Down here, most if not all Chinese phones come with Java ME (J2ME MIDP 2.0) http://listado.mercadolibre.com.ar/dual-sim-java I´m puzzled why the FTC doesn´t go after Google for removing access to its Java ME apps, http://googlemobile.blogspot.com/2008/10/introducing-gmail-for-mobile-20.html ... a move designed clearly to hurt low-cost Java-enabled devices which eat into its own mobile OS Android. http://www.theverge.com/2011/12/5/2612945/google-pulls-gmail-symbian (the news headline is incorrect Google´s JavaME apps worked on all Java enabled phones, I have it running on my PalmOS Centro with IBM J9 JVM). Luckily some have mirrored those... http://blog.wapreview.com/2578/ ....and even for stuff like Google Authenticator there´s open source J2ME implementations of Google´s os-specific apps. http://code.google.com/p/lwuitgauthj2me/ FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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On 1/14/2012 5:49 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> ... a move designed clearly to hurt low-cost Java-enabled devices > which eat into its own mobile OS Android. Considering that Android is free, I'm not sure Google is out to "get" anybody. But I'll be the first to admit that I don't understand much about business. Tom. _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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