In my experiences, IDE’s are great for big projects, but a pain for the simple task. Most days I use nothing but jedit and Netrexx. Portable and compact. If I use a different machine tomorrow it takes 5 minutes to setup, not 50. My advice, spend 10 minutes learning about jars and stick with jedit. http://community.jedit.org/cgi-bin/TWiki/view/Plugins/JarMaker From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
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(1) Of course not. I have both installed locally here. But (2) if you're developing in a corporate environment then usually your employer has made that decision for you (or the senior staff has done). Projects should be consistent across the board, no mixing and matching here and there. How would you ever pick up arms for a "fallen comrade?" If you actually have that much leeway, then you should base your decision on how many other tasks you need to fulfill, and then choose the IDE that provides the most support for those tasks. Netbeans has the Matisse GUI builder, a mature and respected tool. Eclipse is a little behind, but also now has its own Matisse ... and Google's WindowBuilder ... and probably a few others. But: Are you developing for the desktop, the Web, rich or thin clients, etc? With all that said, however, either Netbeans or Eclipse will get the job done. Certainly very many shops are using one or the other and they are handily developing production code every day. For the narrow focus of this list, Eclipse probably has the edge: there is already a NetRexx plugin (syntax highlighting, etc.) available, there is Android support, the list goes on. It must be said the jEdit has these same capabilities in a much smaller footprint. If you've been using jEdit and are happy with it, then why even consider a change? Or, try them all and choose your favorite. (And try to avoid the Emacs vs Vim minefield (alphabetical order.)) Tom. P.S. The grass only looks greener on the other side. It's all the same grass. _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
Thanks for this valuable insight, Tom :-)
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In my experiences, IDE’s are great for big projects, but a pain for the simple task. Most days I use nothing but jedit and Netrexx. Portable and compact. If I use a different machine tomorrow it takes 5 minutes to setup, not 50. My advice, spend 10 minutes learning about jars and stick with jedit. http://community.jedit.org/cgi-bin/TWiki/view/Plugins/JarMaker From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of [hidden email] Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 8:27 AM To: IBM Netrexx Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] /* **nonrx** <Component> ** */ OK, I have jedit and like what it does for me on a simple level, but like it said, it seems to have shortcomings when it comes to packages and jars. Now as far as an IDE goes NetBeans and Eclipse seem to fill the bill. But I gotta go one way or the other right? Any tips as to which path this grasshopper should follow? I'm developing on XP for distribution over the net to many platforms. [hidden email]
No, wrong: each of Eclipse, JEdit, NetBeans. Emacs: all run on Linux, Windows and MacOSX. Platform is no reason to choose one above the other. René. On 20 jan. 2012, at 00:47, Thomas Schneider wrote: Kenneth, I can not tell for Eclipse vs. JEdit vs. NetBeans. I did never find the time to actually Eclipse. >From the conversation here and also on the NetRexx Developers group, and the recent *release* of the Eclipse plugin to www.netrexx.org, I'm however thinking that this might & will be a viable Alternative. As, obviously, EMacs is for MacIntosh users :-) as we are, all, each using Editors each one of us is customiced to use (as Les Koehler XEDIT), I can only tell you that I did use originally KEDIT (an XEDIT implementation), as I did all my developments on an IBM CMS machine, some 8 years ago, than I did personally switch to UltraEdit (with a paid licence), and then to JEdit again which I did try 2002 or so, but which has been too slow for my style of quick typing at those times ... ... Nowadays, things (machines) have changed, and I personally don't have any more any performance issues open with JEdit ... But, as I say, that is a *personal choice*. Personally, it's important for me, that I can use the same Editor for any/all Languages I'm using, in particular: PL/I, COBOL, C, C++, NetRexx, Java, HTML, etc. And thus, I'm currently using Jedit (still from the DOS Comment prompt). I'm just learning (with Kermit Kiser's excellent advise & help) how to even use the SVN plugin with this tool. For various reasons, I do want: a) First complete and release my pending stuff to KENAI b) NOT to become too deeply involved in this always emerging *which Editor shall I use* discussion (due to lack of time, sorry :-()) Maybe others in this group could advise you more accurately. Kind regards, from dark Vienna, anyway.. :-) Massa Thomas ;-) ================================================================================== Am 19.01.2012 15:06, schrieb kenneth.klein@...: Danke, Thomas. Sie meinten "subscribed", btw, "I've been subscribed to.... for more.... I love JEdit, enough to sacrifice VIM, accept in cases where I am working with a package and jar files. Then I go back to the CLI. The NetRexxDE is also very cool. Is NetRexxScript like NetRexxDE or is it for writing scripts? Netbeans got boring when I was facing a steep, steep learning curve. Is Eclipse better? Any easier to understand? Maybe better for the baby-steps I am making? Kenneth Klein
Kenneth, I *personally* would advise to 1.) Immediately use JEdit (www.jedit.org) and download NetRexxDE and/or NetRexxScript from Kenai *or* 2.) Learn Eclipse, which also has a plugin *or* 3.) Learn NetBeans I have subscripted the NetBeans Development group since more that a year, but have currently no time available to integrate NetBeans with NetRexx due to my other projects. I'm sure the proper authors of 1.) and 2.) above will help you in either case. I'm currently in process to OPEN SOURCE and release my NetRexx Parser on www.netrexx.org ... Kind regards from dark Vienna, Thomas. ============================================================================== Am 18.01.2012 21:06, schrieb kenneth.klein@...: Should I give up on that sample example with the "nonrx" problems or is there a way to fix it by hand? Furthermore, should I forge onward with the java tutorial and learn all these classes and components from scratch or should I spend my time learning netbeans or eclipse? Kenneth Klein
On 17 January 2012 10:52, <kenneth.klein@...> wrote: Oh no! Does this snippet showing up in target source code when java2nrx translates a java program mean that some components are not supported, like vector? And Kermit, would you care to expound on your strategy for handling "runnable" and "run" in this source translation: ? I won't attempt to reply for Kermit but I would point out that his reply included the phrase "in the simplest case". I agree that for very simple multi-threaded implementations it's quicker to have your main class implement Runnable as it reduces the complexity: all you need do as add a run method to your class and do all your processing there. It's not necessarily the best way to develop multi-threaded applications though, particularly if your class is complicated or large and contains many properties and methods. The Swing Java examples all appear to use anonymous inner classes to provide the functionality for their Runnable implementations and probably for good reason. (NetRexx doesn't support anonymous inner classes which is why you need to create minor classes in their place.) People have made a good living instructing others on how to write robust multi-threaded applications for the JVM; it's a fun ride and I've either forgotten or not kept up to date on current best practices so I'm happy to be advised by others who have. Alan. -- Can't tweet, won't tweet!_______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ -- Thomas Schneider (Founder of www.thsitc.com) Member of the Rexx Languge Asscociation (www.rexxla.org) Member of the NetRexx Developer's Team (www.netrexx.org)_______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ -- Thomas Schneider (Founder of www.thsitc.com) Member of the Rexx Languge Asscociation (www.rexxla.org) Member of the NetRexx Developer's Team (www.netrexx.org) _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
Guess I need to get updated plugins. From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]]
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Like Mike, I prefer to deal with as few tools as possible, and just use an 'ad hoc IDE' consisting of a command window(s) and jEdit window(s). I have a high res screen so can usually get by with a single jEdit window subdivided into Views allowing me to observe all relevant files at once. These include the source and the outputs of whatever commands I need to execute to compile and test my program. I use custom jEdit mode files to make errors stand out in the command windows, then locate them in the source by simply scrolling to line in question. Low tech, but without a lot of side effects.
jEdit offers the usual "drilling down" approaches to opening files, but if you're working under Windows, it's worth remembering that you can right click any file in Explorer to get an 'open with jEdit' option. The file opens in the jEdit view that most recently was given focus (click its gutter margin if necessary). You mentioned that you had difficulty recognizing certain NetRexx syntax elements. I have a custom NetRexx mode that offers pretty comprehensive coloring. If you would like to see sample output, send me a file and I'll send back a PDF of the coloring on my system. BTW, I just saw your post about JarMaker. This is the downside of plugins (not just jEdit's): they are contributed programs so you can't count on them to be around when you need them. They are regularly invalidated by new releases of jEdit and the authors may not update them for whatever reasons. Like Mike says, best to learn about Jars since they are so important to our lives. On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 9:52 AM, Measel, Mike <[hidden email]> wrote:
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