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Jeff Hennick

Dr. Dobb's,: A Look at the Main JVM Languages Today

A Look at the Main JVM Languages Today

Dr. Dobb's, February 14, 2012

http://drdobbs.com/jvm/232600853

Good news: The very first one is NetRexx!

Bad news: This is the whole entry, together with the cover of TNL,

NetRexx

NetRexx was the first attempt to create a scripting language that would reduce a lot of the syntactical ceremony in Java. Released as a free product but as closed source, NetRexx was initially popular until it became clear that IBM was not going to keep moving it forward or open up the project. As a result, NetRexx is all but dead today.

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billfen

Re: Dr. Dobb's, : A Look at the Main JVM Languages Today

Perhaps some subscriber with credentials should write a letter to them, pointing out that NetRexx is now open source with some substantial support by the community. They might print it.

On 2/17/2012 12:07 AM, Jeff Hennick wrote:

A Look at the Main JVM Languages Today
Dr. Dobb's, February 14, 2012

http://drdobbs.com/jvm/232600853

Good news: The very first one is NetRexx!

Bad news: This is the whole entry, together with the cover of TNL,

NetRexx

NetRexx was the first attempt to create a scripting language that would reduce a lot of the syntactical ceremony in Java. Released as a free product but as closed source, NetRexx was initially popular until it became clear that IBM was not going to keep moving it forward or open up the project. As a result, NetRexx is all but dead today.
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David Requena

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Sure they should at least publish a "Correct our facts" notice stating that IBM did indeed open-source NetRexx at last.

Wouldn't that be your bone Fernando? :-)

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Fernando Cassia-2

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On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 03:07, Jeff Hennick <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Dr. Dobb's, February 14, 2012

Sheesh... one would think that Dr.Dobbs writers would do their homework...

They didnt even bother to join this list to ask about the community
and status of the project...

FC

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Mike Cowlishaw

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> Sheesh... one would think that Dr.Dobbs writers would do
> their homework...
>
> They didnt even bother to join this list to ask about the
> community and status of the project...

Timing ... :-)

Still think it's good to be first in the list ... who gets beyond looking at 2
or 3 ...?

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billfen

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Since RexxLA is the current owner of NetRexx and was instrumental in
getting the source released, perhaps a letter could come from RexxLA? Rene?

On 2/17/2012 3:14 AM, David Requena wrote:

> Sure they should at least publish a "Correct our facts" notice stating that IBM did indeed open-source NetRexx at last.
>
> Wouldn't that be your bone Fernando? :-)
>
> -
> Saludos / Kind regards,
> David Requena
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> of those who hold other opinions.
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ThSITC

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Hello all:

1) Good to be the first in the list is Great :-)
2.) I do know Mr. Dobb to less to *know* what I can do.

Could someone of you advise me, what I shall do to tell Mr. Dobbs that
I'm just *commercially*
releasing *DB-123* and *PP* (written totally in NetRexx)

****************************************************
* internationally on the IBM Cloud *
****************************************************

Fernando Cassia,

wouldn't you like to be my Ghost-Writer for this releases??

And how can we, together,

* The Resurrection of NetRexx *

in this funny year 2012 ???????????????????????????????????

Thomas Schneider.
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Am 17.02.2012 15:01, schrieb Mike Cowlishaw:

>
>
>> Sheesh... one would think that Dr.Dobbs writers would do
>> their homework...
>>
>> They didnt even bother to join this list to ask about the
>> community and status of the project...
> Timing ... :-)
>
> Still think it's good to be first in the list ... who gets beyond looking at 2
> or 3 ...?
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--
Thomas Schneider (Founder of www.thsitc.com) Member of the Rexx Languge
Asscociation (www.rexxla.org) Member of the NetRexx Developer's Team
(www.netrexx.org)

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rvjansen

Re: Dr. Dobb's, : A Look at the Main JVM Languages Today

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I have reacted earlier but my post is 'waiting for moderation' - I
don't want to do any 'official' type of reaction because I think I know
the target audience and it would not be impressed. Instead I have
pointed out open sourcing by IBM, the netrexx.org site, the community
maintaining it, abundance of examples on rosetta and efficient usage of
tokens; it might be good if some of the others also reacted.

best regards,

René.

On 2012-02-17 15:59, Bill Fenlason wrote:

> Since RexxLA is the current owner of NetRexx and was instrumental in
> getting the source released, perhaps a letter could come from RexxLA?
> Rene?
>
> On 2/17/2012 3:14 AM, David Requena wrote:
>> Sure they should at least publish a "Correct our facts" notice
>> stating that IBM did indeed open-source NetRexx at last.
>>
>> Wouldn't that be your bone Fernando? :-)
>>
>> -
>> Saludos / Kind regards,
>> David Requena
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Jeff Hennick

Re: Dr. Dobb's, : A Look at the Main JVM Languages Today

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I have submitted the following comment to DrDobb's in both current JVM
pieces. It is "awaiting moderation."

Reports of the death of NetRexx have been greatly exaggerated.

In Sept. '11, IBM finally released it as FOSS to RexxLA (Rexx Language
Association, RexxLA.org and NetRexx.org ).

A minor update release 3.00 under the new license has been issued. A
lively mailing list is archived at http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/

From RexxLA.org : "NetRexx 3.01 planned availability

2012-02-04: NetRexx 3.01 will be available via NetRexx.org. This release
is the first with original contributions from the RexxLA development
team; it will have new documentation donated by Mike Cowlishaw, an
updated User Guide and several small enhancements and fixes. Update:
Release Candidate RC2 is available for download, testing and feedback."

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billfen

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I sent a short note directly to the editors. Hopefully they will
investigate.

On 2/17/2012 11:13 AM, Jeff Hennick wrote:

> I have submitted the following comment to DrDobb's in both current JVM
> pieces. It is "awaiting moderation."
>
> Reports of the death of NetRexx have been greatly exaggerated.
>
> In Sept. '11, IBM finally released it as FOSS to RexxLA (Rexx Language
> Association, RexxLA.org and NetRexx.org ).
>
> A minor update release 3.00 under the new license has been issued. A
> lively mailing list is archived at
> http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/
>
> From RexxLA.org : "NetRexx 3.01 planned availability
>
> 2012-02-04: NetRexx 3.01 will be available via NetRexx.org. This
> release is the first with original contributions from the RexxLA
> development team; it will have new documentation donated by Mike
> Cowlishaw, an updated User Guide and several small enhancements and
> fixes. Update: Release Candidate RC2 is available for download,
> testing and feedback."
>
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Robert L Hamilton

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That's interesting.

BobH
Richardson Texas USA

On Thu, Feb 16, 2012 at 11:07 PM, Jeff Hennick <[hidden email]> wrote:

A Look at the Main JVM Languages Today
Dr. Dobb's, February 14, 2012

http://drdobbs.com/jvm/232600853

Good news: The very first one is NetRexx!

Bad news: This is the whole entry, together with the cover of TNL,

NetRexx

NetRexx was the first attempt to create a scripting language that would reduce a lot of the syntactical ceremony in Java. Released as a free product but as closed source, NetRexx was initially popular until it became clear that IBM was not going to keep moving it forward or open up the project. As a result, NetRexx is all but dead today.

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ThSITC

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Great, Bill!

thanks a lot ... :-)

We all will see what will happen to NetRexx after it's successful
*RE-INCARNATION* :-)

Massa Thomas.
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Am 17.02.2012 17:55, schrieb Bill Fenlason:

> I sent a short note directly to the editors. Hopefully they will
> investigate.
>
> On 2/17/2012 11:13 AM, Jeff Hennick wrote:
>> I have submitted the following comment to DrDobb's in both current
>> JVM pieces. It is "awaiting moderation."
>>
>> Reports of the death of NetRexx have been greatly exaggerated.
>>
>> In Sept. '11, IBM finally released it as FOSS to RexxLA (Rexx
>> Language Association, RexxLA.org and NetRexx.org ).
>>
>> A minor update release 3.00 under the new license has been issued. A
>> lively mailing list is archived at
>> http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/
>>
>> From RexxLA.org : "NetRexx 3.01 planned availability
>>
>> 2012-02-04: NetRexx 3.01 will be available via NetRexx.org. This
>> release is the first with original contributions from the RexxLA
>> development team; it will have new documentation donated by Mike
>> Cowlishaw, an updated User Guide and several small enhancements and
>> fixes. Update: Release Candidate RC2 is available for download,
>> testing and feedback."
>>
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ThSITC

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Hello Rene!

How can I (very seriously) react?

To whom do I have to send a mail for this?
Thomas.
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Am 17.02.2012 16:24, schrieb rvjansen:

> I have reacted earlier but my post is 'waiting for moderation' - I
> don't want to do any 'official' type of reaction because I think I
> know the target audience and it would not be impressed. Instead I have
> pointed out open sourcing by IBM, the netrexx.org site, the community
> maintaining it, abundance of examples on rosetta and efficient usage
> of tokens; it might be good if some of the others also reacted.
>
> best regards,
>
> René.
>
>
>
> On 2012-02-17 15:59, Bill Fenlason wrote:
>> Since RexxLA is the current owner of NetRexx and was instrumental in
>> getting the source released, perhaps a letter could come from RexxLA?
>> Rene?
>>
>> On 2/17/2012 3:14 AM, David Requena wrote:
>>> Sure they should at least publish a "Correct our facts" notice
>>> stating that IBM did indeed open-source NetRexx at last.
>>>
>>> Wouldn't that be your bone Fernando? :-)
>>>
>>> -
>>> Saludos / Kind regards,
>>> David Requena
>>>
>
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Fernando Cassia-2

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On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 15:46, Thomas Schneider
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> Hello Rene!
>
> How can I (very seriously) react?
>
> To whom do I have to send a mail for this?
> Thomas.

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ThSITC

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Thanks, Fernando, done!
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Am 17.02.2012 21:18, schrieb Fernando Cassia:

> On Fri, Feb 17, 2012 at 15:46, Thomas Schneider
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> Hello Rene!
>>
>> How can I (very seriously) react?
>>
>> To whom do I have to send a mail for this?
>> Thomas.
> http://www.linkedin.com/pub/deirdre-blake/4/716/116
> Deirdre Blake
> Managing Editor at Dr. Dobb's Journal
>
> [hidden email]
>
> FC

Thomas Schneider, Vienna, Austria (Europe) :-)

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kenner

javadoc? Is it any use with .nrx source?

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Does javadoc do anything for a netrexx programmer?

Kenneth Klein

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Robert L Hamilton

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Interesting question.

Are NetRexx comments taken over to the JAVA code.

Bob Hamilton
Richardson Texas USA

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Does javadoc do anything for a netrexx programmer?

Kenneth Klein

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Hi Kenneth,

yes it does! In fact, I always use it. You have to make sure you save
the generated java source files (we have a -keepasjava option nowadays)
and use the -comments option to preserve the comments for the javadoc
processor.

Emacs netrexx-mode.el has a special menu option to insert a javadoc
comment, which I use a lot. I imagine something like that can/has been
done for JEdit and Eclipse NetRexx-mode.

Anyway, I find great value in documenting my api's this way - you
cannot remember everything nowadays, even less the things that you
change around a bit before they get their final form.

best regards,

René.

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> Does javadoc do anything for a netrexx programmer?
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> Kenneth Klein

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George Hovey-2

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Absolutely! It allows automated documentation of complex APIs with various types of cross indexing.

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Mike Cowlishaw

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Bob Hamilton

Interesting question.

Are NetRexx comments taken over to the JAVA code.

Um, Bob, just a few months ago you asked for examples of NetRexx code and the resulting Java code. I put together several small examples for you and also pointed you at the Java BigDecimal code derived from my NetRexx source code for that class.

Did you not notice the Java code was commented? Where else would the comments have come from if not from the NetRexx code?

Mike

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