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David Requena

FYI

netrexx-misc will remain at ntrexx-misc.kenai.com for now.

That really seems not to be a case of poor communication but one of
misappraised consequences.
would like to read some of that thanked feedback ;-)

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: <[hidden email]>
Date: 2010/2/6
Subject: [IMPORTANT UPDATE] More News about the future of Project Kenai
To: [hidden email]

Gentlepeople,

In an effort to get information out to the Kenai community quickly, while
trying to manage the integration of our two companies, I think we did a poor
job at communicating our plans for Kenai.com to you. I would like to remedy
that now. Our strategy is simple. We don't believe it makes sense to
continue investing in multiple hosted development sites that are basically
doing the same thing. Our plan is to shut down kenai.com and focus our
efforts on java.net as the hosted development community. We are in the
process of migrating java.net to the kenai technology. This means that any
project currently hosted on kenai.com will be able to continue as you are on
java.net. We are still working out the technical details, but the goal is
to make this migration as seamless as possible for the current
kenai.comprojects. So in the meantime I suggest that you stay put on
kenai.com and let us work through the details and get back to you later this
month.

Thanks for your feedback and patience.

Ted Farrell
Oracle Corporation

--
Saludos / Regards,
David Requena
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Kermit Kiser

FYI

David ;

Do you think this means that they would accept our NetRexx projects on
java.net since they are Java related? I had gotten the impression that
java.net would only be for paying customers.

-- Kermit

David Requena wrote:

> netrexx-misc will remain at ntrexx-misc.kenai.com
> <http://ntrexx-misc.kenai.com> for now.
>
> That really seems not to be a case of poor communication but one of
> misappraised consequences.
> would like to read some of that thanked feedback ;-)
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
> Date: 2010/2/6
> Subject: [IMPORTANT UPDATE] More News about the future of Project Kenai
> To: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>
>
> Gentlepeople,
>
> In an effort to get information out to the Kenai community quickly,
> while trying to manage the integration of our two companies, I think
> we did a poor job at communicating our plans for Kenai.com to you. I
> would like to remedy that now. Our strategy is simple. We don't
> believe it makes sense to continue investing in multiple hosted
> development sites that are basically doing the same thing. Our plan
> is to shut down kenai.com <http://kenai.com> and focus our efforts on
> java.net <http://java.net> as the hosted development community. We
> are in the process of migrating java.net <http://java.net> to the
> kenai technology. This means that any project currently hosted on
> kenai.com <http://kenai.com> will be able to continue as you are on
> java.net <http://java.net>. We are still working out the technical
> details, but the goal is to make this migration as seamless as
> possible for the current kenai.com <http://kenai.com> projects. So in
> the meantime I suggest that you stay put on kenai.com
> <http://kenai.com> and let us work through the details and get back to
> you later this month.
>
> Thanks for your feedback and patience.
>
> Ted Farrell
> Oracle Corporation
>
>
>
> --
> Saludos / Regards,
> David Requena
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ibm-netrexx mailing list
> [hidden email]
>
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Thomas.Schneider.Wien

FYI

In reply to this post by David Requena

Hello David,
first thanks for the info.

Second, from Your experience, what is the advantage of Kenai as opposed
to Sourceforge?
Would that mean that I could java.net as a HOST for Rexx2Nrx source as
well in the Future?

Thanks in advance when you could enlighten me in this case.

Of course, presence of our NetRexx tools at www.java.net might widen the
appearance of
NetRexx & Rexx2Nrx a lot !!

Tom.
===============================================================
David Requena schrieb:

Tom. (ths@db-123.com)

David Requena

FYI

In reply to this post by Kermit Kiser

Kermit,

I wouldn't know.. I believe this affaire will still take some twisty turns.

Seems to me they hadn't thought the whole thing through before acting.

Java.net has always been a java centric oss hosting service, kenai never
was any language platform biased.
Java.net always had a policy petition-then-approval-or-denying for new
projects, kenay allowed free project registration (up to 5)

Both services don't really match. A lot of non-javacentric, non
java.netsanctioned projects are going to en in
java.net site if they go on with this.
They existed as separate projects just because they tended
to separate audiences to start with.

2010/2/6 Kermit Kiser <[hidden email]>

> David ;
>
> Do you think this means that they would accept our NetRexx projects on
> java.net since they are Java related? I had gotten the impression that
> java.net would only be for paying customers.
>
> -- Kermit
>
>
> David Requena wrote:
>
> netrexx-misc will remain at ntrexx-misc.kenai.com for now.
>
> That really seems not to be a case of poor communication but one of
> misappraised consequences.
> would like to read some of that thanked feedback ;-)
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: <[hidden email]>
> Date: 2010/2/6
> Subject: [IMPORTANT UPDATE] More News about the future of Project Kenai
> To: [hidden email]
>
>
> Gentlepeople,
>
> In an effort to get information out to the Kenai community quickly, while
> trying to manage the integration of our two companies, I think we did a poor
> job at communicating our plans for Kenai.com to you. I would like to remedy
> that now. Our strategy is simple. We don't believe it makes sense to
> continue investing in multiple hosted development sites that are basically
> doing the same thing. Our plan is to shut down kenai.com and focus our
> efforts on java.net as the hosted development community. We are in the
> process of migrating java.net to the kenai technology. This means that
> any project currently hosted on kenai.com will be able to continue as you
> are on java.net. We are still working out the technical details, but the
> goal is to make this migration as seamless as possible for the current
> kenai.com projects. So in the meantime I suggest that you stay put on
> kenai.com and let us work through the details and get back to you later
> this month.
>
> Thanks for your feedback and patience.
>
> Ted Farrell
> Oracle Corporation
>
>
>
> --
> Saludos / Regards,
> David Requena
>
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>
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David Requena

FYI

In reply to this post by Thomas.Schneider.Wien

Thomas,

This is just a matter of personal preference. Here're my own concerns with
sourceforge (sf) as oposed to kenai (in this instance):

- Usability. Both sites offer similar tools for us poor
developers. Admittedly sf offers quite more than kenai. Kenai offers them in
a very simple, nicely integrated way. Managing your services at kenai is a
breeze compared to sf which is a headache most of the time. I'd rather
spending my time fighting issues in my own code than on my sites
infrastructure.

- Obtrusiveness. sf forces on your project site their own design and
branding in an obnoxious way. When you visit an sf project what you're faced
to is "Look this is an sf project. If you want to know what is it about read
the 3 line description below or dive into the fine tools offered by sf to
the project." When you visit a kenai project you're always aware where it is
hosted, their tools,branding, etc. are present all the time; just in a much
discrete way. Compare netrexx-misc with some other projects there, you'll
see what I mean.I *do need* my oss hosting service to support and promote my
project, not the other way around if I can chose. Then sf allows you to link
your own website but.. why the hell would I want to maintain 2 distinct site
for just one single purpose??

- Visibility of your project. This is not sf's fault but is still a concern.
Most of the content at sf is crap nowadays: long abandoned projects, project
stubs, tests... you name it! Your project is gona be buried in this. In the
end you're going to need a main project web page separate from sf with all
the information and some link to the project at sf if you want to drive some
traffic to it. That's just what RexxLA is doing with their
http://www.oorexx.org and http://sourceforge.net/projects/oorexx sites.
Again, I'm just an individual without resources to maintain two sites.

All in all, I see this kind of site as a tool and I always try to chose the
tools which allow me maximize output with the less effort on my part to
use/learn the tool itself.

2010/2/6 Thomas Schneider <[hidden email]>

> Hello David,
> first thanks for the info.
>
> Second, from Your experience, what is the advantage of Kenai as opposed to
> Sourceforge?
> Would that mean that I could java.net as a HOST for Rexx2Nrx source as
> well in the Future?
>
> Thanks in advance when you could enlighten me in this case.
>
> Of course, presence of our NetRexx tools at www.java.net might widen the
> appearance of
> NetRexx & Rexx2Nrx a lot !!
>
> Tom.
> ===============================================================
> David Requena schrieb:
>
>> netrexx-misc will remain at ntrexx-misc.kenai.com <
>> http://ntrexx-misc.kenai.com> for now.
>>
>>
>> That really seems not to be a case of poor communication but one of
>> misappraised consequences.
>> would like to read some of that thanked feedback ;-)
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> From: <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>> Date: 2010/2/6
>> Subject: [IMPORTANT UPDATE] More News about the future of Project Kenai
>> To: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>>
>>
>> Gentlepeople,
>>
>> In an effort to get information out to the Kenai community quickly, while
>> trying to manage the integration of our two companies, I think we did a poor
>> job at communicating our plans for Kenai.com to you. I would like to remedy
>> that now. Our strategy is simple. We don't believe it makes sense to
>> continue investing in multiple hosted development sites that are basically
>> doing the same thing. Our plan is to shut down kenai.com <
>> http://kenai.com> and focus our efforts on java.net <http://java.net> as
>> the hosted development community. We are in the process of migrating
>> java.net <http://java.net> to the kenai technology. This means that any
>> project currently hosted on kenai.com <http://kenai.com> will be able to
>> continue as you are on java.net <http://java.net>. We are still working
>> out the technical details, but the goal is to make this migration as
>> seamless as possible for the current kenai.com <http://kenai.com>
>> projects. So in the meantime I suggest that you stay put on kenai.com <
>> http://kenai.com> and let us work through the details and get back to you
>> later this month.
>>
>> Thanks for your feedback and patience.
>>
>> Ted Farrell
>> Oracle Corporation
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Saludos / Regards,
>> David Requena
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Ibm-netrexx mailing list
>> [hidden email]
>>
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ibm-netrexx mailing list
> [hidden email]
>
>

Thomas.Schneider.Wien

KENAI (and in future java.net) versus Sourceforge for FOSS Projects (Rey ::= Rexx2Nrx release 7.00)

Hi David,

first I changed the Subject to make this discussion clear.

second, as already said, I will put the first FOSS release of Rey
(::== Rexx for Java)
to my own home-pages, including the ability to DOWNLOAD the recent
source of the recent release,
as I do have neither the time *nor* are willing to learn all those SVN
peculiars. And, frankly speaking, I do *not* need those....

third, may thanks for your opinions and observations (for the group:
below).

My personal point of view, by the way, is:

When Kenai becomes part of java.net, this has much more potential
sprideness (if that is the correct term)
than 'another project' on source-forge.

Thanks again for putting your insights to this community.

Tom.
==================================================================.

David Requena schrieb:

> Thomas,
>
> This is just a matter of personal preference. Here're my own concerns
> with sourceforge (sf) as oposed to kenai (in this instance):
>
> - Usability. Both sites offer similar tools for us poor
> developers. Admittedly sf offers quite more than kenai. Kenai offers
> them in a very simple, nicely integrated way. Managing your services
> at kenai is a breeze compared to sf which is a headache most of the
> time. I'd rather spending my time fighting issues in my own code than
> on my sites infrastructure.
>
> - Obtrusiveness. sf forces on your project site their own design and
> branding in an obnoxious way. When you visit an sf project what you're
> faced to is "Look this is an sf project. If you want to know what is
> it about read the 3 line description below or dive into the fine tools
> offered by sf to the project." When you visit a kenai project you're
> always aware where it is hosted, their tools,branding, etc. are
> present all the time; just in a much discrete way. Compare
> netrexx-misc with some other projects there, you'll see what I mean.I
> *do need* my oss hosting service to support and promote my project,
> not the other way around if I can chose. Then sf allows you to link
> your own website but.. why the hell would I want to maintain
> 2 distinct site for just one single purpose??
>
> - Visibility of your project. This is not sf's fault but is still a
> concern. Most of the content at sf is crap nowadays: long abandoned
> projects, project stubs, tests... you name it! Your project is gona be
> buried in this. In the end you're going to need a main project web
> page separate from sf with all the information and some link to the
> project at sf if you want to drive some traffic to it. That's just
> what RexxLA is doing with their http://www.oorexx.org
> and http://sourceforge.net/projects/oorexx sites. Again, I'm just an
> individual without resources to maintain two sites.
>
> All in all, I see this kind of site as a tool and I always try to
> chose the tools which allow me maximize output with the less effort on
> my part to use/learn the tool itself.
>
> 2010/2/6 Thomas Schneider <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>
> Hello David,
> first thanks for the info.
>
> Second, from Your experience, what is the advantage of Kenai as
> opposed to Sourceforge?
> Would that mean that I could java.net <http://java.net> as a HOST
> for Rexx2Nrx source as well in the Future?
>
> Thanks in advance when you could enlighten me in this case.
>
> Of course, presence of our NetRexx tools at www.java.net
> <http://www.java.net> might widen the appearance of
> NetRexx & Rexx2Nrx a lot !!
>
> Tom.
> ===============================================================
> David Requena schrieb:
>
> netrexx-misc will remain at ntrexx-misc.kenai.com
> <http://ntrexx-misc.kenai.com> <http://ntrexx-misc.kenai.com>
> for now.
>
>
> That really seems not to be a case of poor communication but
> one of misappraised consequences.
> would like to read some of that thanked feedback ;-)
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: <[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
> <mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>>>
> Date: 2010/2/6
> Subject: [IMPORTANT UPDATE] More News about the future of
> Project Kenai
> To: [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
> <mailto:[hidden email]
> <mailto:[hidden email]>>
>
>
> Gentlepeople,
>
> In an effort to get information out to the Kenai community
> quickly, while trying to manage the integration of our two
> companies, I think we did a poor job at communicating our
> plans for Kenai.com to you. I would like to remedy that now.
> Our strategy is simple. We don't believe it makes sense to
> continue investing in multiple hosted development sites that
> are basically doing the same thing. Our plan is to shut down
> kenai.com <http://kenai.com> <http://kenai.com> and focus our
> efforts on java.net <http://java.net> <http://java.net> as the
> hosted development community. We are in the process of
> migrating java.net <http://java.net> <http://java.net> to the
> kenai technology. This means that any project currently
> hosted on kenai.com <http://kenai.com> <http://kenai.com> will
> be able to continue as you are on java.net <http://java.net>
> <http://java.net>. We are still working out the technical
> details, but the goal is to make this migration as seamless as
> possible for the current kenai.com <http://kenai.com>
> <http://kenai.com> projects. So in the meantime I suggest
> that you stay put on kenai.com <http://kenai.com>
> <http://kenai.com> and let us work through the details and get
> back to you later this month.
>
> Thanks for your feedback and patience.
>
> Ted Farrell
> Oracle Corporation
>
>
>
> --
> Saludos / Regards,
> David Requena
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ibm-netrexx mailing list
> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ibm-netrexx mailing list
> [hidden email] <mailto:[hidden email]>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Saludos / Regards,
> David Requena
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Ibm-netrexx mailing list
> [hidden email]
>
>

Tom. (ths@db-123.com)