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I have gotten word that the IBM NetRexx site will be shut down this
month. After earlier plans, it seems that it is now end of the road for this site and it will be 'sunset' (in IBM parlance) this October. So I would encourage everybody who wants to save the information, to do so without hesitation. There have been some good memories attached to it and I would like to thank, on behalf of RexxLA, the NetRexx community, and myself, everyone who was involved into designing, updating and running it for all these years. best regards, René Jansen, President, Rexx Language Association _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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René,
You might be calling for a Distributed Denial Of Service here! Imagine the vast population of NetRexx lovers trying to mirror the web site all at once ;-) Regards and sorry for the joke On 04/10/2012 14:29, rvjansen wrote:
I have gotten word that the IBM NetRexx site will be shut down this month. After earlier plans, it seems that it is now end of the road for this site and it will be 'sunset' (in IBM parlance) this October. So I would encourage everybody who wants to save the information, to do so without hesitation. _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:34 AM, David Requena <[hidden email]> wrote: Imagine the vast population of NetRexx lovers trying to mirror the web site all at once ;-) Which reminds me... I saw the NetRexx twitter account still with double-digit followers What is preventing the vast numbers of RexxLA members from following it? -sorry for the joke, if RexxLA membership isn´t in the 3-digits to 4-digits range as I envisioned- ;) FC _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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For starters, I can imagine not every RexxLA member being interested in
NetRexx. Some of the members only use Classic Rexx and other use Regina or ooRexx. With the general demographics of the Classic Rexx users, I can imagine not everyone being on social media. One of my co-workers here who knows Rexx has a phone you can only use for phonecalls. Also, the more we tweet the larger the following. Good that you reminded me, so I tweeted the sunset notice. But I would have to try tweeting more regularly from that account. We could have a team; I only would try to avoid the KitchenAid scenario: it seems to be the only loser in this debate. best regards, René. On 2012-10-04 14:47, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:34 AM, David Requena <[hidden email] > [1]> > wrote: > >> Imagine the vast population of NetRexx lovers trying to mirror the >> web site all at once ;-) >> >> Regards and sorry for the joke > > Which reminds me... I saw the NetRexx twitter account still with > double-digit followers > > What is preventing the vast numbers of RexxLA members from following > it? -sorry for the joke, if RexxLA membership isn´t in the 3-digits > to 4-digits range as I envisioned- ;) > > FC > > > Links: > ------ > [1] mailto:[hidden email] _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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If this mailing list is going away, is there a pubic equivalent that will
be available in the future? On 10/4/2012 8:29 AM, rvjansen wrote: > I have gotten word that the IBM NetRexx site will be shut down this month. After earlier plans, it seems that it is now end of the road for this site and it will be 'sunset' (in IBM parlance) this October. So I would encourage everybody who wants to save the information, to do so without hesitation. > > There have been some good memories attached to it and I would like to thank, on behalf of RexxLA, the NetRexx community, and myself, everyone who was involved into designing, updating and running it for all these years. > > best regards, > > René Jansen, > President, Rexx Language Association > > > _______________________________________________ > Ibm-netrexx mailing list > [hidden email] > Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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Bill,
no reason for excitement: this list stays, it is the website at http://www-01.ibm.com/software/awdtools/netrexx/ that is going. The open, public equivalent is http://www.netxrexx.org This list will continue to function as long as Ian will support it. best regards, René. On 2012-10-05 17:52, [hidden email] wrote: > If this mailing list is going away, is there a pubic equivalent that > will > be available in the future? > > On 10/4/2012 8:29 AM, rvjansen wrote: >> I have gotten word that the IBM NetRexx site will be shut down this > month. After earlier plans, it seems that it is now end of the road > for > this site and it will be 'sunset' (in IBM parlance) this October. So > I > would encourage everybody who wants to save the information, to do so > without hesitation. >> >> There have been some good memories attached to it and I would like >> to > thank, on behalf of RexxLA, the NetRexx community, and myself, > everyone who > was involved into designing, updating and running it for all these > years. >> >> best regards, >> >> René Jansen, >> President, Rexx Language Association >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ibm-netrexx mailing list >> [hidden email] >> Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and > application > hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting > > > _______________________________________________ > Ibm-netrexx mailing list > [hidden email] > Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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Rene,
Thanks for the clarification. On the other hand, since this list is hosted at hursley.ibm.com, it is not unreasonable to assume that IBM may pull the plug on that as well at some point. But it is good to know that things here will go on as usual for now. Bill PS - is there or will there be a public list at netrexx.org? As I understand it, there is only a paid list for Rexx at rexxla.org, and the equivalent open list is at the usenet (google) group comp.lang.rexx. I was wondering if the equivalent for netrexx was going to be true. On 10/5/2012 12:21 PM, rvjansen wrote: > Bill, > > no reason for excitement: this list stays, it is the website at http://www-01.ibm.com/software/awdtools/netrexx/ that is going. > > The open, public equivalent is http://www.netxrexx.org > > This list will continue to function as long as Ian will support it. > > best regards, > > René. > > > On 2012-10-05 17:52, [hidden email] wrote: >> If this mailing list is going away, is there a pubic equivalent that will >> be available in the future? >> >> On 10/4/2012 8:29 AM, rvjansen wrote: >>> I have gotten word that the IBM NetRexx site will be shut down this >> month. After earlier plans, it seems that it is now end of the road for >> this site and it will be 'sunset' (in IBM parlance) this October. So I >> would encourage everybody who wants to save the information, to do so >> without hesitation. >>> >>> There have been some good memories attached to it and I would like to >> thank, on behalf of RexxLA, the NetRexx community, and myself, everyone >> was involved into designing, updating and running it for all these years. >>> >>> best regards, >>> >>> René Jansen, >>> President, Rexx Language Association >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Ibm-netrexx mailing list >>> [hidden email] >>> Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application >> hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ibm-netrexx mailing list >> [hidden email] >> Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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> PS - is there or will there be a public list at netrexx.org?
> As I understand it, there is only a paid list for Rexx at > rexxla.org, and the equivalent open list is at the usenet > (google) group comp.lang.rexx. I was wondering if the > equivalent for netrexx was going to be true. I'm hoping that RexxLA/ooRexx/NetRexx/etc. will have a single port of call (forum) sooner rather than later. Maybe I'm using the wrong tools, but 8-9 mailing lists are really hard to follow; just one place to check for changes once a day (or week) would be so much better ... _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 1:39 PM, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:
If IBM shuts down the Hursley resarch labs, then we have bigger issues to worry about. ;) http://www-05.ibm.com/uk/locations/hursley_details.html FC _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 1:51 PM, Mike Cowlishaw <[hidden email]> wrote:
My work day revorves around e-mail and the e-mail screen (in my case, the GMail inbox). I´m of the opinion that a mailing list beats ANY web based forum hands-down, specially when paired with GMail´s "discusion view" of emails... In fact I co-administer the virtualbox mailing list after one genius Sun exec decided the mailing list had to go and that web based forum were the future. Well guess what? thechies continue subscribing to our community-run mailing list (hosted on sourceforge.net) every day.... FC _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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On 10/5/2012 12:51 PM, Mike Cowlishaw wrote:
> I'm hoping that RexxLA/ooRexx/NetRexx/etc. will have a single port of call > (forum) sooner rather than later. Maybe I'm using the wrong tools, but 8-9 > mailing lists are really hard to follow; just one place to check for changes > once a day (or week) would be so much better ... Some email programs (e.g. Thunderbird - open source, most OSs, etc) provide filters which move incoming mail into appropriate folders. I follow a sizable number of lists and have no problems following them. You could direct all the Rexx related list inputs to a single folder if that works for you. ooRexx uses comp.lang.rexx. Since there are likely few users that use both ooRexx and NetRexx, probably separate lists are appropriate. Of course, as long as RexxLA maintains its "pay to play" stance, there will always be at least two :) -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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Fernando,
IBM deciding to shut down the netrexx mailing list in Hursley does not imply that IBM Hursley itself is shutting down. It implies that IBM may decide that no more IBM resources should be devoted to NetRexx. That is certainly a reasonable business decision which may or may not be made. On 10/5/2012 1:28 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > > > On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 1:39 PM, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote: > > > On the other hand, since this list is hosted at hursley.ibm.com, it is not > unreasonable to assume that IBM may pull the plug on that as well at some > point. > > > If IBM shuts down the Hursley resarch labs, then we have bigger issues to worry about. ;) > > http://www-05.ibm.com/uk/locations/hursley_details.html > > FC -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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I´m of the opinion that a mailing list beats ANY web
based forum hands-down, specially when paired with GMail´s "discusion view" of
emails...
That's a different question -- I like getting e-mails about
things I am interested in, too.. What I like about the 'forum' approach is
that *I* can decide which threads I want to contribute to and/or subscribe
to. The 'mailing list' approach means that I get ALL
"contributions" to a huge
topic.
Yes, I can set up rules to exclude some of that .. but the
rules do not work very well. I prefer to 'opt-in' to a discussion I am
interested in rather that constantly 'opting-out' from worthy discussions that
are only of specialist interest.
And even more irksome is constantly getting e-mail questions
about some aspect of Rexx that I have many times discussed and answered in
RexxLA mailing lists but yet are still unavailable to a simple Google
search. I get 15 to 25 Rexx questions every weekday .. all of which have
been answered in RexxLA lists many times. I reply to them all .. but it is
becoming a chore rather than the pleasure it used to
be.
Mike
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On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Mike Cowlishaw <[hidden email]> wrote:
I understand completely. However I may suggest a different approach which is the one I use: I peruse the subject lines on mailing lists I´m subscribed to, and only click to read something when the topic catches my eye (kinda like browsing the newspaper and scanning headlines for interesting stories and ignoring the rest). I only read about 20% to 10% of the mailing lists I receive. Another beauty of the GMail "threaded view" is that a long message thread that goes on forever with dozens of messages actually takes a single line of vertical screen space on the inbox screen, and only "expands" to the full threaded view when clicked... Of course, YMMV... Best regards, FC PS: I admit this doesn´t solve the issue of people emailing questions directed specifically towards you. _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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On 10/5/2012 2:56 PM, Mike Cowlishaw wrote:
> I > And even more irksome is constantly getting e-mail questions about some aspect of Rexx that I have many times discussed and answered in RexxLA mailing lists but yet are still unavailable to a simple Google search. I get 15 to 25 Rexx questions every weekday .. all of which have been answered in RexxLA lists many times. I reply to them all .. but it is becoming a chore rather than the pleasure it used to be. There is an obvious conflict between google and "pay to play". The RexxLA business model falls apart if their private content were available via google, so I doubt your problem will be fixed any time soon. I have no idea if RexxLA provides an effective search option for their private content, but perhaps they should. You could then provide a courtesy response to RexxLA members (or not) pointing out that the RexxLA search option should be used. If the questions are from non-RexxLA members, perhaps you should answer them in a public forum which google will index. I think a NetRexx forum in google groups would be appropriate. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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The NetRexx list is open, and indexed by google, and archived at Nabble - no real reason to open a google group for it.
René. On 5 okt. 2012, at 21:32, "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> wrote: > On 10/5/2012 2:56 PM, Mike Cowlishaw wrote: >> I >> And even more irksome is constantly getting e-mail questions about some > aspect of Rexx that I have many times discussed and answered in RexxLA > mailing lists but yet are still unavailable to a simple Google search. I > get 15 to 25 Rexx questions every weekday .. all of which have been > answered in RexxLA lists many times. I reply to them all .. but it is > becoming a chore rather than the pleasure it used to be. > > There is an obvious conflict between google and "pay to play". > > The RexxLA business model falls apart if their private content were > available via google, so I doubt your problem will be fixed any time soon. > > I have no idea if RexxLA provides an effective search option for their > private content, but perhaps they should. You could then provide a > courtesy response to RexxLA members (or not) pointing out that the RexxLA > search option should be used. > > If the questions are from non-RexxLA members, perhaps you should answer > them in a public forum which google will index. I think a NetRexx forum in > google groups would be appropriate. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web > > > _______________________________________________ > Ibm-netrexx mailing list > [hidden email] > Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ > _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 4:39 PM, René Jansen <[hidden email]> wrote:
Well, google groups acts as a traditional mailing list server but also provides a "web front end" (the equivalent of a web based forum), so at the time of registration you can choose if you want to receive every email (like a traditional mailing list server), a daily email (digest) or "no email", in the latter option you access messages when you want, and reply to what you want. But you still need to be "registered" to post to it. That seems to fulfill MFC´s needs... and those of us who prefer to "receive everything"... Just my $0.02... FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act - George Orwell _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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Fernando,
Please, visit the list archive at nable sometime. It's what you are describing, threaded view and all. Not AJAX enabled, though. - Saludos / Kind regards, David Requena NOTE: The opinions expressed here represent the opinions of the authors and do not necessarily represent the opinions of those who hold other opinions. -----Original Message----- From: Fernando Cassia <[hidden email]> Sender: [hidden email] Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 16:44:33 To: IBM Netrexx<[hidden email]> Reply-To: IBM Netrexx <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] IBM NetRexx site shutting down _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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On 05/10/2012 17:21, rvjansen wrote:
> This list will continue to function as long as Ian will support it. I have absolutely no plans to stop supporting it. There are some other mailing lists on this server which generate quite large amounts of traffic, up to 5GB a day on average so I cannot see it being forced to close down either. Ian _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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