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An opportunity to get the NetRexx name in front of JVM developers:
http://goo.gl/eeXpJ It's a "popularity survey" for alternative JVM languages. Netrexx (sic) appears on the list of choices. Vote for it! Tom. _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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Great to see that NetRexx is already in the List!
Voting for NetRexx done (need it for any work I'm doing, except for piano playing ;-) ) Thomas Schneider. =============================================== Am 28.10.2011 17:44, schrieb Tom Maynard: An opportunity to get the NetRexx name in front of JVM developers: --
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In reply to this post by Tom Maynard
Just did. It´s got 1% right now. Not great but not bad either, considering there are several options with 0.2% etc Although I´d certainly like to see NetRexx overtake Kotlin or seriously challenge it. PS: Anyone remembers ´noop´ ? http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Application-Development/Google-Delivers-New-Javalike-Language-Noop-473613/ it currently shows no activity for the last 1 and a half years.... http://code.google.com/p/noop/ http://code.google.com/p/noop/updates/list Which goes to show that even hyped languages with big backers behind canoot succeed if they don´t have a strong user base, and a language legacy to build upon. FC _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:44, Tom Maynard <[hidden email]> wrote:
I bet that if NetRexx came from Google, half the world+dog would be coding on it and saying it´s the best thing since sliced bread. Sadly in this world technical merits alone don´t win, but marketing and hype take a great part in achieving critical mass. I really, really hate the "not invented here" syndrome that makes corporations like Google unable to adopt and use existing great tech like NetRexx... all dotcoms full of young coders that think they can climb the corporate ladder and carve their names in stone by re-inventing the wheel. Sheesh. :-/ FC -- "The purpose of computing is insight, not numbers." Richard Hamming - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamming_code _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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On 10/28/2011 5:27 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
Usually with at least one flat side.
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Didn' know of any of them ...
So what shall you suggest to *spread the knowledge* *and* *acceptance* of NetRexx? With a lot of meetings here at IBM Austria, and also representatives of Switzerland and Germany, and Austrian IBM MainFrame customers as well, I currently *do* have the feeling that Big Blue is *pushing IBM EGL* (from IBM Rational Rose; as far as they can) to their customer base. As they did with Visual Age before (before they did simply cancel it :-() .... Might be a pity (*or* might be a chance?) Thomas. PS: Anybody out there in this group with *practical* IBM EnterPrise Generation Language (shortly IBM EGL) experience ? ======================================================== Am 28.10.2011 23:24, schrieb Fernando Cassia:
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Hi Jeff Hennick, Fernando:
*partly*, the problem is, that Java has *so many doc's' available, which are (in Syntax) *incompatible* to NetRexx.... I'm more and more thinking about allowing NetRexx Language features as a PRE-PROCESSOR to Java (allowing Java syntax as well !) ;-) What do you say? ODD, or *worthwhile* ??? Thomas. =============================================== Am 29.10.2011 00:21, schrieb Jeff Hennick: On 10/28/2011 5:27 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote: --
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On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 19:43, Thomas Schneider <[hidden email]> wrote:
VisualAge was a family of IDEs. I remember using IBM´s "VisualAge for Basic" and it was very nice, albeit slow and producing executables that needed huge runtime DLLs. It would have rocked if IBM had optimized it and produced OS/2, Win32 *and Linux* versions of the tool, allowing one to write Basic and create apps for all 3 OSs. It never happened, the product was killed at version 1.01. I remember that later down the road when I asked someone why IBM had killed the VisualAge line (including VisualAge for Java) the answer was that the whole IDE was built on top of IBM Smalltalk. (!), and that´s why IBM was pushing Eclipse instead.... Not sure if any of the above was true, but that´s the answer was given... FC -- "The purpose of computing is insight, not numbers." Richard Hamming - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamming_code _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 19:43, Thomas Schneider <[hidden email]> wrote: With a lot of meetings here at IBM Austria, and also representatives of Switzerland and Germany, and Austrian IBM MainFrame customers as well, I currently *do* have the feeling that Big Blue is *pushing IBM EGL* I also have the feeling that *nothing* that IBM these days does will have *any* impact on the popularity of any given language. *Google* is "cool" these days. Anything Google does is taken as an indication of where the technology is going (much like it was 10 years ago by Netscape and Sun) In that sense, getting Twitter dropping Ruby for Java was a *huge* PR win for Oracle and the Java camp... http://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2011/04/twitter-drops-ruby-for-java.php Twitter joining the JCP and the OpenJDK project was just the icing on the cake https://dev.twitter.com/blog/twitter-open-source-and-jvm In that sense, these two moves alone will get more people attracted to the Java platform that any million dollars´ worth of advertising on full page-ads. So... you ask me what would take for NetRexx to be more popular... My answer: "we"* need to make NetRexx used for some high-profile project somehow related to cloud computing or "web 2.0" sites. Getting NetRexx supported by Netbeans would also bring good PR and lots more Java shops taking a serious look at the technology. If we could also find a way to integrate NetRexx with Apache OpenOffice (when it´s finally released) that would be great as well. (I admit OO.o can be scripted with "OO Basic" and even Java, but why not NetRexx too?). Just my $0.02 FC * I´m using the "we" loosely here, I´m just an advocate for good technology, and NetRexx is one such good technologies that deserves to win. :) PS: About 5 years ago I talked to some Mozilla devs trying to push the idea of creating Firefox extensions in Java, ie, applets running alongside the browser doing the tasks that currently are done by XUL and Javascript, but I didn´t get anyone interested in it. In fact, they dismissed the idea as they saw Java "on the way out" and Javascript as the holy grail... I still think having some kind of direct Java bridge to the browser internals would be nice. Think of for example reading the "about:config" browser settings from Java or NetRexx and making changes to it... -- "The purpose of computing is insight, not numbers." Richard Hamming - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamming_code _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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Fernando,
Considering the very short amount of time that NetRexx has been open sourced, I think we doing well. Even though IBM basically gave it away, not being open sourced has hurt us. Bruce On Oct 28, 2011, at 5:12 PM, [hidden email] wrote:
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Bruce,
(1) +1 for your analysis. (2) Kermit is doing a *great JOB* in fixing the code :-) (3) [un-related] following those discussions, I did decide to open my source as well... Will do at Project 'PP' there at KENAI. As seen from Project 'NetRexx', having some (more) interested parties involved *is beneficial* :-) Kind regards, Thomas Schneider. PS: *and* I will NOT, repeat NOT, try to fight against the marvelous design of NetRexx. I'll, however, try to implement what I think would be a good route for expansion for NetRexx 4.00. I'm more and more understanding what Mike is and was actually doing (by reading his source code now, first time, I must admit :-()) 00000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 ========================================================== Am 29.10.2011 03:42, schrieb Bruce Skelly: Fernando, --
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On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 22:42, Bruce Skelly <[hidden email]> wrote: Considering the very short amount of time that NetRexx has been open sourced, I think we doing well. Even though IBM basically gave it away, not being open sourced has hurt us. I agree. My point was more strategic... the way to increase NetRexx´s visibility is to "piggyback" and make it talk to (integrate) into other higher-profile open source projects, Apache OO.o for instance. FC _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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Hello Fernando, and all,
Whil'st BASIC has been the *first computer language* I did learn, decades ago, on the Honeywell Bull MARK I Time Sharing System (which again has been design on the MIT (Massachuset's Technology Center)), and later did become GEISCO's *international* MARK III Service, where we could develop International Applications using the world-wide NetWork of GEISCO some 30 years ago ..... I'm currently fully loaded with Rexx, NetRexx, ooRexx, COBOL, and PL/I stuff. Anybody of you knowing Visual BASIC well, and volunteering to update some control-tables (simple Text Files) for Visual Basic? This would allow us all (middle term) to translate Visual Basic to NetRexx (and/or ooRexx), when we like. At the minute, it will be a research project for me, and I will not start unless I get a competent partner for this topic. When interested to help please do send me a (private) mail, and I will send you the source of the control tables (ordinary text-files) to be modified for BASIC.... Sincerely, Thomas Schneider. =========================================================== Am 29.10.2011 03:20, schrieb Fernando Cassia:
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Re: Visual BASIC *to* NetRexx (and/or ooRexx)
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On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 00:27, Thomas Schneider <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thomas, Jabaco www.jabaco.org is a project/IDE (why the author choose to go the great length to code a full IDE is beyond me!) that takes Basic source and compiles Java bytecode. Unfortunately the German author seems very busy and also has not answered any of my e-mails, and while some of the framework he uses is "open source", his full product is not, is "Freeware"
I think Oracle could do well to integrate Jabaco with Netbeans, as Open Source... Believe it or not there´s millions of Visual Basic programmers out there, which could instantly become Java app authors...
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Fernando, *great news*
I will, however: a) either need a volunteer to help b) a PROJECT which FINANCEES my investments (of time) c) a PROJECT which does GET me MONEY. I'm *nearly*, actually *already* **bankrupt** As I do have my pension: I can survive, at a very low level. But I cannot, for instance, afford to FLY to ARUBA, to meet you all.... ... but that is *another story* Greetings, Thomas. PS: I'm primarily interested *in my own work* (hope you do see my point) : Secondarily, I'm interested to learn from MFC ... : Third, when time allows, I'm interested to PLAY the PIANO.... : Fourth: *no intentions* (from my side) at the minute to contact other parties. I do have already now too many mail groups/Projects I'm *watching* just for interest ... Definitely now (for me): Time to go a'sleep ! Greetings, Thomas. ========================================================= Am 29.10.2011 06:22, schrieb Fernando Cassia:
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