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In setting up the About page for my Eclipse plugin, I need to include the
copyright statement for NetRexx since I will be including the execution jar as a convenience. I wanted to reference the official NetRexx License file, but it does not seem to be included in the SVN repository? I would assume the file at http://icu-project.org/repos/icu/icu/trunk/license.html will be part of the distribution (verbatim). For now I will reference and include that. I'll force the "logo" option, but would prefer to allow the user to omit it. I'm not a lawyer and want to do this properly. Rene, when IBM turned the code over to RexxLA, did IBM Legal (or RexxLA lawyers) provide any guidance? Thanks. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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Hi Bill,
just today I was thinking about your wonderful Eclipse plugin - it happened while editing a NetRexx source file in Eclipse (that was my best option after Notepad) without it. It is correct that the NetRexxC repository does not contain it, there was no requirement from IBM lawyers. The requirement stated was that every sourcefile contained a reference to the name of the license, and the exact wording of that was handed to me and included verbatim. After IBM handed it over, we are only bound by the terms of the ICU license itself and not by IBM's guidance. Note that for example in the contrib section, for njpipes, the wording in the source file is slightly different, because here we are not speaking about 'IBM materials licensed under', but still they are open sourced under this license. The contrib section, however, contains (netrexx/contrib/njpipes/LICENSE) the text that you might include. Personally, I would think that a link to this file, or the website, should suffice - but I am not a lawyer either. I do not even know if it is relevant that IBM spelled 'licensed' and 'licence' differently in one header and why they would do that - and frankly … In conclusion, I think that the ICU licen[c,s]e website should have the final word on the requirements. There might be people more in the know, or caring about legal issues concerning copyright of software; if there are, and they would like to contribute, may I suggest that the kenai advocacy-list is the place to be? I cannot wait to have the plugin and use it, by the way. Are you considering hosting its source with the rest of the code? best regards, René. On 2 sep. 2011, at 22:25, [hidden email] wrote: > In setting up the About page for my Eclipse plugin, I need to include the > copyright statement for NetRexx since I will be including the execution jar > as a convenience. > > I wanted to reference the official NetRexx License file, but it does not > seem to be included in the SVN repository? I would assume the file at > > http://icu-project.org/repos/icu/icu/trunk/license.html > > will be part of the distribution (verbatim). For now I will reference and > include that. I'll force the "logo" option, but would prefer to allow the > user to omit it. > > I'm not a lawyer and want to do this properly. Rene, when IBM turned the > code over to RexxLA, did IBM Legal (or RexxLA lawyers) provide any > guidance? > > Thanks. > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web > > > > _______________________________________________ > Ibm-netrexx mailing list > [hidden email] > Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ > _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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Bill,
there *is* a license file in the svn netrexxc trunk - I did not remember but there certainly is one. best regards, René. On 2 sep. 2011, at 23:05, René Jansen wrote: > Hi Bill, > > just today I was thinking about your wonderful Eclipse plugin - it happened while editing a NetRexx source file in Eclipse (that was my best option after Notepad) without it. > It is correct that the NetRexxC repository does not contain it, there was no requirement from IBM lawyers. The requirement stated was that every sourcefile contained a reference to the name of the license, and the exact wording of that was handed to me and included verbatim. > > After IBM handed it over, we are only bound by the terms of the ICU license itself and not by IBM's guidance. Note that for example in the contrib section, for njpipes, the wording in the source file is slightly different, because here we are not speaking about 'IBM materials licensed under', but still they are open sourced under this license. > > The contrib section, however, contains (netrexx/contrib/njpipes/LICENSE) the text that you might include. Personally, I would think that a link to this file, or the website, should suffice - but I am not a lawyer either. I do not even know if it is relevant that IBM spelled 'licensed' and 'licence' differently in one header and why they would do that - and frankly … > > In conclusion, I think that the ICU licen[c,s]e website should have the final word on the requirements. There might be people more in the know, or caring about legal issues concerning copyright of software; if there are, and they would like to contribute, may I suggest that the kenai advocacy-list is the place to be? > > I cannot wait to have the plugin and use it, by the way. Are you considering hosting its source with the rest of the code? > > best regards, > > René. > > On 2 sep. 2011, at 22:25, [hidden email] wrote: > >> In setting up the About page for my Eclipse plugin, I need to include the >> copyright statement for NetRexx since I will be including the execution jar >> as a convenience. >> >> I wanted to reference the official NetRexx License file, but it does not >> seem to be included in the SVN repository? I would assume the file at >> >> http://icu-project.org/repos/icu/icu/trunk/license.html >> >> will be part of the distribution (verbatim). For now I will reference and >> include that. I'll force the "logo" option, but would prefer to allow the >> user to omit it. >> >> I'm not a lawyer and want to do this properly. Rene, when IBM turned the >> code over to RexxLA, did IBM Legal (or RexxLA lawyers) provide any >> guidance? >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> mail2web - Check your email from the web at >> http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ibm-netrexx mailing list >> [hidden email] >> Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Ibm-netrexx mailing list > [hidden email] > Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ > _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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Rene,
Thanks for the clarification on the license. I saw a license file, but it is not the verbatim (1.8.1) license showing the IBM copyright. Yes, the Eclipse NetRexx plugin is open source. It's in a SVN repository at Sourceforge (along with the Eclipse update site). I'm working on packaging the new plugin release now (and I know that you know what generating a first release is like :). It will appear similar to the prototype, but under the covers it is a very substantial rewrite. There is still much to do, particularly in making sure that the plugin matches the translator in finding errors, as well as other things. I rate it as Alpha level at this point, but certainly usable. I'll probably wait until after the RexxLA release so that the "official" jar can be included with the plugin. Eclipse users will avoid any NetRexx installation problems because they generally know how to install plugins using an update site. Once they do that, NetRexx will be immediately usable. In time a wizard can be added, etc., but first things first. Bill On 9/2/2011 5:05 PM, René Jansen wrote: > Hi Bill, > > just today I was thinking about your wonderful Eclipse plugin - it happened while editing a NetRexx source file in Eclipse (that was my best option after Notepad) without it. > It is correct that the NetRexxC repository does not contain it, there was no requirement from IBM lawyers. The requirement stated was that every sourcefile contained a reference to the name of the license, and the exact wording of that was handed to me and included verbatim. > > After IBM handed it over, we are only bound by the terms of the ICU license itself and not by IBM's guidance. Note that for example in the contrib section, for njpipes, the wording in the source file is slightly different, because here we are not speaking about 'IBM materials licensed under', but still they are open sourced under this license. > > The contrib section, however, contains (netrexx/contrib/njpipes/LICENSE) the text that you might include. Personally, I would think that a link to this file, or the website, should suffice - but I am not a lawyer either. I do not even know if it is relevant that IBM spelled 'licensed' and 'licence' differently in one header and why they would do that - and frankly > > In conclusion, I think that the ICU licen[c,s]e website should have the final word on the requirements. There might be people more in the know, or caring about legal issues concerning copyright of software; if there are, and they would like to contribute, may I suggest that the kenai advocacy-list is the place to be? > > I cannot wait to have the plugin and use it, by the way. Are you considering hosting its source with the rest of the code? > > best regards, > > René. > > On 2 sep. 2011, at 22:25, [hidden email] wrote: > >> In setting up the About page for my Eclipse plugin, I need to include the >> copyright statement for NetRexx since I will be including the execution jar >> as a convenience. >> >> I wanted to reference the official NetRexx License file, but it does not >> seem to be included in the SVN repository? I would assume the file at >> >> http://icu-project.org/repos/icu/icu/trunk/license.html >> >> will be part of the distribution (verbatim). For now I will reference and >> include that. I'll force the "logo" option, but would prefer to allow the >> user to omit it. >> >> I'm not a lawyer and want to do this properly. Rene, when IBM turned the >> code over to RexxLA, did IBM Legal (or RexxLA lawyers) provide any >> guidance? >> >> Thanks. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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Bill,
maybe I didn't get it or missed it but is this NetRexx Plugin for Eclipse also written in NetRexx? Writing an Eclipse plugin is something on my long list of things todo, but can't get my head around java... :-( So *ANY* samples in NetRexx are welcome :-) and could bring it a little closer to becoming a reality. Michael -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of [hidden email] Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2011 00:17 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] License file Rene, Thanks for the clarification on the license. I saw a license file, but it is not the verbatim (1.8.1) license showing the IBM copyright. Yes, the Eclipse NetRexx plugin is open source. It's in a SVN repository at Sourceforge (along with the Eclipse update site). I'm working on packaging the new plugin release now (and I know that you know what generating a first release is like :). It will appear similar to the prototype, but under the covers it is a very substantial rewrite. There is still much to do, particularly in making sure that the plugin matches the translator in finding errors, as well as other things. I rate it as Alpha level at this point, but certainly usable. I'll probably wait until after the RexxLA release so that the "official" jar can be included with the plugin. Eclipse users will avoid any NetRexx installation problems because they generally know how to install plugins using an update site. Once they do that, NetRexx will be immediately usable. In time a wizard can be added, etc., but first things first. Bill On 9/2/2011 5:05 PM, René Jansen wrote: > Hi Bill, > > just today I was thinking about your wonderful Eclipse plugin - it happened while editing a NetRexx source file in Eclipse (that was my best option after Notepad) without it. > It is correct that the NetRexxC repository does not contain it, there was no requirement from IBM lawyers. The requirement stated was that every sourcefile contained a reference to the name of the license, and the exact wording of that was handed to me and included verbatim. > > After IBM handed it over, we are only bound by the terms of the ICU license itself and not by IBM's guidance. Note that for example in the contrib section, for njpipes, the wording in the source file is slightly different, because here we are not speaking about 'IBM materials licensed under', but still they are open sourced under this license. > > The contrib section, however, contains (netrexx/contrib/njpipes/LICENSE) the text that you might include. Personally, I would think that a link to this file, or the website, should suffice - but I am not a lawyer either. I do not even know if it is relevant that IBM spelled 'licensed' and 'licence' differently in one header and why they would do that - and frankly > > In conclusion, I think that the ICU licen[c,s]e website should have the final word on the requirements. There might be people more in the know, or caring about legal issues concerning copyright of software; if there are, and they would like to contribute, may I suggest that the kenai advocacy-list is the place to be? > > I cannot wait to have the plugin and use it, by the way. Are you considering hosting its source with the rest of the code? > > best regards, > > René. > > On 2 sep. 2011, at 22:25, [hidden email] wrote: > >> In setting up the About page for my Eclipse plugin, I need to include the >> copyright statement for NetRexx since I will be including the execution jar >> as a convenience. >> >> I wanted to reference the official NetRexx License file, but it does not >> seem to be included in the SVN repository? I would assume the file at >> >> http://icu-project.org/repos/icu/icu/trunk/license.html >> >> will be part of the distribution (verbatim). For now I will reference and >> include that. I'll force the "logo" option, but would prefer to allow the >> user to omit it. >> >> I'm not a lawyer and want to do this properly. Rene, when IBM turned the >> code over to RexxLA, did IBM Legal (or RexxLA lawyers) provide any >> guidance? >> >> Thanks. -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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