Open Source NetRexx in the news.. ;)

[Fernando Cassia-2]

Ahem... with all my modesty and humility, here are the two best
reports on the open source NetRexx release. ;)

IBM Hands Over NetRexx, Human-Oriented Programming as Open Source
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2011/6/8/ibm-hands-over-netrexx2c-human-oriented-programming-as-open-source.aspx

Comment: Why open NetRexx means now all humans can do Java apps
Open Source for your kids and grandchildren
http://www.techeye.net/software/why-an-open-netrexx-means-humans-can-do-java

Many thanks to MFC and the RexxLA web site for providing his photo in
his bio page. :)

And if you find some of your words echoed there, let me remind you
that this is an open mailing list, indexed by search engines
http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/. ;)

Some quotes were also taken from the user reviews of MFC´s NetRexx
book on Amazon.com, and different threads in this mailing list that I
had starred on GMail because of its insightful content. If I had to
ask every one of you for your opinion, I´d be still writing the story.

In case of legal controversy, I set my legal address in southern
Patagonia, and you can come down here to sue me. <JOKE> <JOKE>!

Retweets, forwarding and posting on Farcebook (if you like it) are all welcome.

FC
PS: Both articles were written in a hurry from the 10am local time to
4pm local time frame, after a night without sleep, so you get what you
pay for... ;)
PS2: Yes, I took a few stabs at IBM for its previous lack of promotion
of the language, but hey, I´m a former OS/2 user, so I have a right to
be somewhat skeptical of IBM´s Incredible Marketing Skills and
commitment to its software products.

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[rvjansen]

Good stuff - I could not possibly disagree with any of it; thanks for the liberal quoting. Maybe worth mentioning that there was life before OS/2 - I encountered Rexx on MVS/XA TSO/E where it popped up some day, and of course it started out its life on VM/CMS ; but nice work and very welcome. In the meantime, you might give www.netrexx.org an F5. The source is not there yet, but it won't take another 4 years, I promise.

best regards,

René.
On Jun 11, 2011, at 1:51 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote:

> Ahem... with all my modesty and humility, here are the two best
> reports on the open source NetRexx release. ;)
>
> IBM Hands Over NetRexx, Human-Oriented Programming as Open Source
> http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2011/6/8/ibm-hands-over-netrexx2c-human-oriented-programming-as-open-source.aspx
>
> Comment: Why open NetRexx means now all humans can do Java apps
> Open Source for your kids and grandchildren
> http://www.techeye.net/software/why-an-open-netrexx-means-humans-can-do-java
>
> Many thanks to MFC and the RexxLA web site for providing his photo in
> his bio page. :)
>
> And if you find some of your words echoed there, let me remind you
> that this is an open mailing list, indexed by search engines
> http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/. ;)
>
> Some quotes were also taken from the user reviews of MFC´s NetRexx
> book on Amazon.com, and different threads in this mailing list that I
> had starred on GMail because of its insightful content. If I had to
> ask every one of you for your opinion, I´d be still writing the story.
>
> In case of legal controversy, I set my legal address in southern
> Patagonia, and you can come down here to sue me. <JOKE> <JOKE>!
>
> Retweets, forwarding and posting on Farcebook (if you like it) are all welcome.
>
> FC
> PS: Both articles were written in a hurry from the 10am local time to
> 4pm local time frame, after a night without sleep, so you get what you
> pay for... ;)
> PS2: Yes, I took a few stabs at IBM for its previous lack of promotion
> of the language, but hey, I´m a former OS/2 user, so I have a right to
> be somewhat skeptical of IBM´s Incredible Marketing Skills and
> commitment to its software products.
>
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[David Requena]

These're great Fernando. Many thanks!

2011/6/11 Fernando Cassia <[hidden email]>

Ahem... with all my modesty and humility, here are the two best
reports on the open source NetRexx release. ;)

IBM Hands Over NetRexx, Human-Oriented Programming as Open Source
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2011/6/8/ibm-hands-over-netrexx2c-human-oriented-programming-as-open-source.aspx

Comment: Why open NetRexx means now all humans can do Java apps
Open Source for your kids and grandchildren
http://www.techeye.net/software/why-an-open-netrexx-means-humans-can-do-java

Many thanks to MFC and the RexxLA web site for providing his photo in
his bio page. :)

And if you find some of your words echoed there, let me remind you
that this is an open mailing list, indexed by search engines
http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/. ;)

Some quotes were also taken from the user reviews of MFC´s NetRexx
book on Amazon.com, and different threads in this mailing list that I
had starred on GMail because of its insightful content. If I had to
ask every one of you for your opinion, I´d be still writing the story.

In case of legal controversy, I set my legal address in southern
Patagonia, and you can come down here to sue me. <JOKE> <JOKE>!

Retweets, forwarding and posting on Farcebook (if you like it) are all welcome.

FC
PS: Both articles were written in a hurry from the 10am local time to
4pm local time frame, after a night without sleep, so you get what you
pay for... ;)
PS2: Yes, I took a few stabs at IBM for its previous lack of promotion
of the language, but hey, I´m a former OS/2 user, so I have a right to
be somewhat skeptical of IBM´s Incredible Marketing Skills and
commitment to its software products.

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[Fernando Cassia-2]

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 21:17, René Jansen <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Maybe worth mentioning that there was life before OS/2 - I encountered Rexx on MVS/XA TSO/E where it popped up some day, and of course it started out its life on VM/CMS ; but nice work and very welcome.

Of course there was life before OS/2. But running MVS or VM/CMS on a
386 wasn´t too easy. And mainframes were, well, expensive. ;-)

--short version--
I ran every OS/2 version at home from 2.0 in mid-1992 to WSeB in 2000,
and Rexx has always been one of the reasong why I came back to it. I
even ran a BBS on OS/2 for a short time.
-end of short version-

--long version on the story on how I started with Rexx and OS/2,
below, feel free to skip to the end if not bothered--

I began using IBM software and Rexx on an AMD 386 DX-40 shortly after
IBM OS/2 2.0 was released. It had 8 MB RAM and an ISA ATI video card
capable of a "whopping" 640x480 at 16-bit color. I quickly moved to a
486 DX2-66 with 16-MB RAM running OS/2 2.1 with a VL-Bus video card
with 2MB VRAM.

I then ran OS/2 Warp 3.0 on a Pentium MMX @ 266 Mhz and Trident 9680
pci video card with 2MB VRAM. The video drivers were -surprise- buggy.

Video drivers were always OS/2´s Achilles´Heel. I started having
decent graphics when I moved to a dual-Pentium III with a pair of
Elsa Gloria Synergy PCI cards, each with 16 MB RAM. That with two
monitors and OS/2 Warp 4.0 But by then, Lou Gerstner had already threw
the towel in the fight with Microsoft for the 32-bit x86 desktop OS
market.

I have an almost-pristine copy of VX-Rexx that I rarely used, mostly
because I hated its huge (for the time) runtime library, and lack of
Windows-compatibility (if Watcom had released a VX-Rexx for Windows,
it´d have promoted lots more cross-development).

I ran OS/2 as my main OS until mid-2000. I beta-tested OS/2 Warp
Server for e-Business with its SMP kernel.

In short: eight years of hoping IBM save face and bring OS/2 into the
21st century. It never happened. Too many short-sighted
middle-management if you ask me. Leaving aside a few people like John
Soyring who even took the stage at the DOJ-vs-MS trial, and Tim
Sipples out of Chicago who worked 24/7 to promote OS/2.

When I moved to Linux / Win2K, I always kept around a copy of Regina
to hack quick scripts for my own needs, since Bash scripts looked
half-baked and innecesarily complex by comparison.

btw: I´m also a Java fan, but a fan of the concept of a common VM and
having cross-platform apps that can run anywhere. I´m not a fan of the
Java language. NetRexx has always looked enticing but the uncertainty
over its future and apparent neglect by IBM prevented me from fully
commiting to it. Now, that fear/uncertainty factor is gone, and I can
be sure it´ll be there in some way or another 5 years down the line.
(there´s a limit to expectations of longevity, of course, as Keynes
said "In the long run, we´re all dead" :)
--end of history--

OK, sorry for the long babbling. It´s better to write some things
while one still remembers them and not let them fade into oblivion.

FC

PS: Speaking of languages, Computer Associates should be damned
forever for not making CA-Realizer into the ultimate Visual Basic
killer. It was much, much better than anything MSFT could offer at the
time. You could load an array into a "spreadsheet object", that was
like today´s embedding an excel file, except that no Excel was
required, the components were part of Realizer´s runtime.

And you could save the contents of such arrays/spreadsheet obejcts as
a Lotus 1-2-3 or MS Excel file, plus you could compile any CA-Realizer
2.0 source code into OS/2 or Win (win16, sadly) binaries.

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[Fernando Cassia-2]

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 22:03, David Requena <[hidden email]> wrote:
> These're great Fernando. Many thanks!

You´re welcome.

I wonder if anyone else picked up the news story?. Some of you could
try submitting the above articles to reddit or digg to get the word
out, or maybe submit to Slashdot.
http://slashdot.org/submission

What I hate about the IT press is that Apple or Microsoft fart (pardon
my French) and you get 3,000 posts in a matter of minutes. Anything
else that doesn´t fall into the "horse race mentality" or "shiny! new!
round borders!" rarely gets mentioned.

:-/

Have a nice weekend you all...
FC

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[Kermit Kiser]

René -

I don't see the 3.0 binary download yet. When do you expect to post it
and should we start regression testing our products with that version or
wait for the the 3.0.1 with source that you mentioned? (Did I get those
version numbers right?)

-- Kermit


On 6/10/2011 5:17 PM, René Jansen wrote:

> Good stuff - I could not possibly disagree with any of it; thanks for the liberal quoting. Maybe worth mentioning that there was life before OS/2 - I encountered Rexx on MVS/XA TSO/E where it popped up some day, and of course it started out its life on VM/CMS ; but nice work and very welcome. In the meantime, you might give www.netrexx.org an F5. The source is not there yet, but it won't take another 4 years, I promise.
>
> best regards,
>
> René.
> On Jun 11, 2011, at 1:51 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>
>> Ahem... with all my modesty and humility, here are the two best
>> reports on the open source NetRexx release. ;)
>>
>> IBM Hands Over NetRexx, Human-Oriented Programming as Open Source
>> http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2011/6/8/ibm-hands-over-netrexx2c-human-oriented-programming-as-open-source.aspx
>>
>> Comment: Why open NetRexx means now all humans can do Java apps
>> Open Source for your kids and grandchildren
>> http://www.techeye.net/software/why-an-open-netrexx-means-humans-can-do-java
>>
>> Many thanks to MFC and the RexxLA web site for providing his photo in
>> his bio page. :)
>>
>> And if you find some of your words echoed there, let me remind you
>> that this is an open mailing list, indexed by search engines
>> http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/. ;)
>>
>> Some quotes were also taken from the user reviews of MFC´s NetRexx
>> book on Amazon.com, and different threads in this mailing list that I
>> had starred on GMail because of its insightful content. If I had to
>> ask every one of you for your opinion, I´d be still writing the story.
>>
>> In case of legal controversy, I set my legal address in southern
>> Patagonia, and you can come down here to sue me.<JOKE>  <JOKE>!
>>
>> Retweets, forwarding and posting on Farcebook (if you like it) are all welcome.
>>
>> FC
>> PS: Both articles were written in a hurry from the 10am local time to
>> 4pm local time frame, after a night without sleep, so you get what you
>> pay for... ;)
>> PS2: Yes, I took a few stabs at IBM for its previous lack of promotion
>> of the language, but hey, I´m a former OS/2 user, so I have a right to
>> be somewhat skeptical of IBM´s Incredible Marketing Skills and
>> commitment to its software products.
>>
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[George Hovey-2]

Fernando,

I'm glad to hear you eschew false modesty.  To call your reports good would be damning with faint praise: they are stunningly good.  I have worried all along that as programmers we wouldn't have what it takes to publicize NetRexx, but you sure do!

I move that you be elected NetRexx Press Officer by popular acclaim.

I'd love to see your proposal for handling the web site.

George

On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Fernando Cassia <[hidden email]> wrote:

Ahem... with all my modesty and humility, here are the two best
reports on the open source NetRexx release. ;)

IBM Hands Over NetRexx, Human-Oriented Programming as Open Source
http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2011/6/8/ibm-hands-over-netrexx2c-human-oriented-programming-as-open-source.aspx

Comment: Why open NetRexx means now all humans can do Java apps
Open Source for your kids and grandchildren
http://www.techeye.net/software/why-an-open-netrexx-means-humans-can-do-java

Many thanks to MFC and the RexxLA web site for providing his photo in
his bio page. :)

And if you find some of your words echoed there, let me remind you
that this is an open mailing list, indexed by search engines
http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/. ;)

Some quotes were also taken from the user reviews of MFC´s NetRexx
book on Amazon.com, and different threads in this mailing list that I
had starred on GMail because of its insightful content. If I had to
ask every one of you for your opinion, I´d be still writing the story.

In case of legal controversy, I set my legal address in southern
Patagonia, and you can come down here to sue me. <JOKE> <JOKE>!

Retweets, forwarding and posting on Farcebook (if you like it) are all welcome.

FC
PS: Both articles were written in a hurry from the 10am local time to
4pm local time frame, after a night without sleep, so you get what you
pay for... ;)
PS2: Yes, I took a few stabs at IBM for its previous lack of promotion
of the language, but hey, I´m a former OS/2 user, so I have a right to
be somewhat skeptical of IBM´s Incredible Marketing Skills and
commitment to its software products.

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[Michael Dag]

Now that NetRexx is opensource…

 

I have a number of small NetRexx solutions which I deliver as single jar files, because they are NetRexx Solutions

they always require the NetRexxR.jar file to be included, but users also have to add this jar file to the classpath.

 

For ease of delivery and ease of deployment will I now be allowed to merge my jar file(s) to include the NetRexx

Runtime classes from NetRexxR.jar ?

 

I don’t want to start a discussion on whether that is a good thing to do or not… as there are both sides to that discussion

that I understand very well…

 

I just want to know if now it is allowed to do so…

 

Thank you.

 

Michael Dag

www.mqsystems.com

 

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[rvjansen]

Kermit,

I can post a 3.00 later today; just finished putting in RexxLA copyright statement and the likes and rebuilt. Will signal to the list when it is there.

best regards,

René.

On Jun 11, 2011, at 3:59 AM, Kermit Kiser wrote:

> René -
>
> I don't see the 3.0 binary download yet. When do you expect to post it and should we start regression testing our products with that version or wait for the the 3.0.1 with source that you mentioned? (Did I get those version numbers right?)
>
> -- Kermit
>
>
> On 6/10/2011 5:17 PM, René Jansen wrote:
>> Good stuff - I could not possibly disagree with any of it; thanks for the liberal quoting. Maybe worth mentioning that there was life before OS/2 - I encountered Rexx on MVS/XA TSO/E where it popped up some day, and of course it started out its life on VM/CMS ; but nice work and very welcome. In the meantime, you might give www.netrexx.org an F5. The source is not there yet, but it won't take another 4 years, I promise.
>>
>> best regards,
>>
>> René.
>> On Jun 11, 2011, at 1:51 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
>>
>>> Ahem... with all my modesty and humility, here are the two best
>>> reports on the open source NetRexx release. ;)
>>>
>>> IBM Hands Over NetRexx, Human-Oriented Programming as Open Source
>>> http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2011/6/8/ibm-hands-over-netrexx2c-human-oriented-programming-as-open-source.aspx
>>>
>>> Comment: Why open NetRexx means now all humans can do Java apps
>>> Open Source for your kids and grandchildren
>>> http://www.techeye.net/software/why-an-open-netrexx-means-humans-can-do-java
>>>
>>> Many thanks to MFC and the RexxLA web site for providing his photo in
>>> his bio page. :)
>>>
>>> And if you find some of your words echoed there, let me remind you
>>> that this is an open mailing list, indexed by search engines
>>> http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/. ;)
>>>
>>> Some quotes were also taken from the user reviews of MFC´s NetRexx
>>> book on Amazon.com, and different threads in this mailing list that I
>>> had starred on GMail because of its insightful content. If I had to
>>> ask every one of you for your opinion, I´d be still writing the story.
>>>
>>> In case of legal controversy, I set my legal address in southern
>>> Patagonia, and you can come down here to sue me.<JOKE>  <JOKE>!
>>>
>>> Retweets, forwarding and posting on Farcebook (if you like it) are all welcome.
>>>
>>> FC
>>> PS: Both articles were written in a hurry from the 10am local time to
>>> 4pm local time frame, after a night without sleep, so you get what you
>>> pay for... ;)
>>> PS2: Yes, I took a few stabs at IBM for its previous lack of promotion
>>> of the language, but hey, I´m a former OS/2 user, so I have a right to
>>> be somewhat skeptical of IBM´s Incredible Marketing Skills and
>>> commitment to its software products.
>>>
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[rvjansen]

<base href="x-msg://281/">Michael,

when read with my amateur lawyer brain, the EWS licence on the IBM product already permitted this. With the RexxLA version, you can do as you please, but it would be nice if you could put in a plug for the language in your product documentation.

For the record, these are the licence terms:

ICU Licence 1.8.1 includes the following terms

Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the "Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, distribute, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, provided that the above copyright notice(s) and this permission notice appear in all copies of the Software and that both the above copyright notice(s) and this permission notice appear in supporting documentation.

THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT OF THIRD PARTY RIGHTS. IN NO EVENT SHALL THE COPYRIGHT HOLDER OR HOLDERS INCLUDED IN THIS NOTICE BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, OR ANY SPECIAL INDIRECT OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES, OR ANY DAMAGES WHATSOEVER RESULTING FROM LOSS OF USE, DATA OR PROFITS, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, NEGLIGENCE OR OTHER TORTIOUS ACTION, ARISING OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE USE OR PERFORMANCE OF THIS SOFTWARE. 

Except as contained in this notice, the name of a copyright holder shall not be used in advertising or otherwise to promote the sale, use or other dealings in this Software without prior written authorization of the copyright holder.

best regards,

René.

On Jun 11, 2011, at 11:37 AM, Michael Dag wrote:

Now that NetRexx is opensource…

 

I have a number of small NetRexx solutions which I deliver as single jar files, because they are NetRexx Solutions

they always require the NetRexxR.jar file to be included, but users also have to add this jar file to the classpath.

 

For ease of delivery and ease of deployment will I now be allowed to merge my jar file(s) to include the NetRexx

Runtime classes from NetRexxR.jar ?

 

I don’t want to start a discussion on whether that is a good thing to do or not… as there are both sides to that discussion

that I understand very well…

 

I just want to know if now it is allowed to do so…

 

Thank you.

 

Michael Dag

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On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 20:51, Fernando Cassia <[hidden email]> wrote:

> IBM Hands Over NetRexx, Human-Oriented Programming as Open Source
> http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2011/6/8/ibm-hands-over-netrexx2c-human-oriented-programming-as-open-source.aspx
>
> Comment: Why open NetRexx means now all humans can do Java apps
> Open Source for your kids and grandchildren
> http://www.techeye.net/software/why-an-open-netrexx-means-humans-can-do-java

Okay, two new news reports came out, and not by me. ;)

Take note then, for reliable IT news sources... (besides
BrightSideofNews.com and TechEye.net.

Heise Online
http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/NetRexx-is-now-open-source-1258908.html

(Looks like, ahem, an abbreviated version of my story. They added that
IBM "calls it an effective alternative to the Java language" -first
time I hear that, I wonder if they added that just to portray the
language in the "horse race" mindset)

and Alex Blewitt´s one at InfoQ.com
http://www.infoq.com/news/2011/06/netrexx

the best one of the two, who not only blatantly borrows from my
previous work (just kidding, that´s ok), but adds something I missed:

"Congratulations are well deserved for Mike Cowlishaw (@MikeCowlishaw
on twitter), the inventor of the Rexx language, who also invented many
of the tools that ran upon Rexx such as LEXX (possibly the first text
editor to support colour). He is also the person behind JSR 13, which
brought the BigDecimal class to Java, as well as the specification
that many other languages such as Python have followed."

In any case, I´m happy to see them take note of the reference to
making Android apps with NetRexx and it links to Kermit´s site. I´m
sure Kermit didn´t anticipate that many hits. :) And it will surely
bring new people into the language.

The ultimate promotion for NetRexx.org would be to get the story
linked from Slashdot.org, but I know the Linux-conservative, mostly
anti-Java Slashdotter crowd are a hard nut to crack. That´s up to you
guys, I have done enough blatant self-promotion here. <GRIN>

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On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 06:37, Michael Dag <[hidden email]> wrote:
> For ease of delivery and ease of deployment will I now be allowed to merge
> my jar file(s) to include the NetRexx
>
> Runtime classes from NetRexxR.jar ?

Of course it is a good idea. :) I´ve discussed this issue on this
list. Copying stuff to the Classpath is so 1990s! ;)

I use a number of Java desktop apps (most notably Java Image Editor)
that is delivered as a single ".jar" file and runs by simply "Java
-jar appname.jar", without copying anything anywhere.

And that´s the way all Java apps must be delivered, imho.

IMHO these docs on the manifest file should be a must-read for anyone
dealing with Java
http://java.sun.com/developer/Books/javaprogramming/JAR/basics/manifest.html#applications

FC

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[ThSITC]

Hi Fernando,

1.) thanks for the URL's
2.) I've just reviewed them (very shortly): Congratulations to all
involved :-)

Let's keep up together the great work MFC, Rene, and other's did.

As promised, I will release my contributions to Rene very soon for
incorporation on www.netrexx.org.

I'm still clering some details with Rene, on a private basis, so that
everything does follow his underlying concept for the brand new
www.netrexx.org.

Thomas.
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Am 11.06.2011 01:51, schrieb Fernando Cassia:

> Ahem... with all my modesty and humility, here are the two best
> reports on the open source NetRexx release. ;)
>
> IBM Hands Over NetRexx, Human-Oriented Programming as Open Source
> http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2011/6/8/ibm-hands-over-netrexx2c-human-oriented-programming-as-open-source.aspx
>
> Comment: Why open NetRexx means now all humans can do Java apps
> Open Source for your kids and grandchildren
> http://www.techeye.net/software/why-an-open-netrexx-means-humans-can-do-java
>
> Many thanks to MFC and the RexxLA web site for providing his photo in
> his bio page. :)
>
> And if you find some of your words echoed there, let me remind you
> that this is an open mailing list, indexed by search engines
> http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/. ;)
>
> Some quotes were also taken from the user reviews of MFC´s NetRexx
> book on Amazon.com, and different threads in this mailing list that I
> had starred on GMail because of its insightful content. If I had to
> ask every one of you for your opinion, I´d be still writing the story.
>
> In case of legal controversy, I set my legal address in southern
> Patagonia, and you can come down here to sue me.<JOKE>  <JOKE>!
>
> Retweets, forwarding and posting on Farcebook (if you like it) are all welcome.
>
> FC
> PS: Both articles were written in a hurry from the 10am local time to
> 4pm local time frame, after a night without sleep, so you get what you
> pay for... ;)
> PS2: Yes, I took a few stabs at IBM for its previous lack of promotion
> of the language, but hey, I´m a former OS/2 user, so I have a right to
> be somewhat skeptical of IBM´s Incredible Marketing Skills and
> commitment to its software products.
>
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[Fernando Cassia-2]

On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 01:25, George Hovey <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> I move that you be elected NetRexx Press Officer by popular acclaim.

:-)))

I can´t be at the two sides of the desk... either I´m an *cough*
*cough* independent journalist with no particular bias towards any
language *cough* *cough* or a RexxLA member promoting it. Or is that a
honorary title within this list? ;-) In any case, thanks. I like it. I
take two.

> I'd love to see your proposal for handling the web site.

Sadly I´m no web design artist George. The current design is  nice.
I´d just do DHTML menus with a tool like http://ho.io/dhtml , and make
prominent links to this mailing list (or whatever replaces it), along
with Twitter and facebook "buttons" at the page footer, pointing at
the RexxLA, NetRexx, and MFC´s Twitter accounts. A link to some
Facebook "Fan Page" wouldn´t hurt.

The rest IMHO is documentation. As much PDF files as you can link to
(or host) about NetRexx documentation (like the v2 user´s guide on
MFC´s site).

Just my $.02
FC

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[Mike Cowlishaw]

Aw, go on, give slashdot a poke ... :-)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> Fernando Cassia
> Sent: 11 June 2011 12:50
> To: IBM Netrexx
> Subject: [Ibm-netrexx] Re: Open Source NetRexx in the news.. ;)
>
> On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 20:51, Fernando Cassia
> <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> > IBM Hands Over NetRexx, Human-Oriented Programming as Open Source
> >
> http://www.brightsideofnews.com/news/2011/6/8/ibm-hands-over-netrexx2c
> > -human-oriented-programming-as-open-source.aspx
> >
> > Comment: Why open NetRexx means now all humans can do Java
> apps Open
> > Source for your kids and grandchildren
> >
> http://www.techeye.net/software/why-an-open-netrexx-means-humans-can-d
> > o-java
>
> Okay, two new news reports came out, and not by me. ;)
>
> Take note then, for reliable IT news sources... (besides
> BrightSideofNews.com and TechEye.net.
>
> Heise Online
> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/NetRexx-is-now-open-sou
> rce-1258908.html
>
> (Looks like, ahem, an abbreviated version of my story. They
> added that IBM "calls it an effective alternative to the Java
> language" -first time I hear that, I wonder if they added
> that just to portray the language in the "horse race" mindset)
>
> and Alex Blewitt´s one at InfoQ.com
> http://www.infoq.com/news/2011/06/netrexx
>
> the best one of the two, who not only blatantly borrows from
> my previous work (just kidding, that´s ok), but adds
> something I missed:
>
> "Congratulations are well deserved for Mike Cowlishaw
> (@MikeCowlishaw on twitter), the inventor of the Rexx
> language, who also invented many of the tools that ran upon
> Rexx such as LEXX (possibly the first text editor to support
> colour). He is also the person behind JSR 13, which brought
> the BigDecimal class to Java, as well as the specification
> that many other languages such as Python have followed."
>
> In any case, I´m happy to see them take note of the reference
> to making Android apps with NetRexx and it links to Kermit´s
> site. I´m sure Kermit didn´t anticipate that many hits. :)
> And it will surely bring new people into the language.
>
> The ultimate promotion for NetRexx.org would be to get the
> story linked from Slashdot.org, but I know the
> Linux-conservative, mostly anti-Java Slashdotter crowd are a
> hard nut to crack. That´s up to you guys, I have done enough
> blatant self-promotion here. <GRIN>
>
> FC
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