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Haven't done anything with Netrexx for a couple of years, so it's great that the language isn't dead.
I wonder if someone could give me an advice regarding programming environment/IDE. Seems like the eclipse plugin isn't developed anymore, so what is left? Is JEdit still the best environment to work with when developing Netrexx applications? |
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On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:16 PM, sleipner <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Is JEdit still the best environment to work with when > developing Netrexx applications? So far, yes, AFAIK FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un Acto Revolucionario - George Orwell _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Fernando Cassia On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 2:16 PM, sleipner <[hidden email]> wrote: > Is JEdit still the best environment to work with when developing > Netrexx applications? So far, yes, AFAIK For me it is not, but be advised that my very recent (re)evaluation took place on 64-bit Windows 8.1 Preview Build 9431, a configuration not widespread to be sure. I encountered a number of problems that caused me once again to uninstall jEdit: · Every compile or interpret attempt caused errors within the NetRexx plugin itself, and listless attempts to debug these were unsuccessful · The NetRexx plugin is poorly documented and I could not find any error reporting mechanism or support forum (see above issue) · Additional plugins (deemed worthwhile at the time) also ran into problems, first with installation and then at auto-load time during use (whether or not I used them) I gave it much more than a reasonable effort to isolate, identify, and fix whatever may have been wrong but ultimately gave up when nothing I could imagine helped in any way. This took place only about a week ago, so I was using the most current versions of everything (JDK, jEdit, plugins, …). My experience is obviously not the norm: There is a large number of happy users on this list, and jEdit itself has been under continuous development for nearly as long as Java has been around. Twenty million Frenchmen can’t be wrong, n’est ce pas? Your mileage will almost certainly vary. But at least the uninstall leaves no “registry dust”, so even a negative evaluation costs only the time it takes. Tom. _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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Since I'm the author of the Eclipse NetRexx plugin, I should comment on
this. I haven't totally given up on this (labor of love) project. It has been clear from the start that the NetRexx community (such as it is) has preferred JEdit (or a simple text editor) for NetRexx development. I've always taken the position that there are advantages and disadvantages to every development approach, and if users prefer JEdit because they are familiar with it or for some other reason, that is what they should use. Eclipse is certainly a very complex IDE and it has a high learning curve. It is more frequently used in larger commercial shops than in smaller efforts. Eclipse requires more resources to use, and for some situations, it is vast overkill. For example, Eclipse requires a rigid project structure and provides a continuous automatic project build. These are more appropriate for larger efforts and the concepts add to the learning curve. Eclipse is not for the faint of heart or the casual or beginning programmer. While I was somewhat disappointed that my work generated little interest, I think a more telling problem is that the Eclipse world in general doesn't seem to have much interest in NetRexx. I fear that unless NetRexx makes inroads into the commercial world it may remain a marginal language. Earlier this year I was preparing a new release (a major rewrite) and I hope to get back to it after I resolve some minor medical and other problems. Bill Fenlason Original email: ----------------- From: sleipner [hidden email] Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 10:16:21 -0700 (PDT) To: [hidden email] Subject: [Ibm-netrexx] Which IDE Haven't done anything with Netrexx for a couple of years, so it's great that the language isn't dead. I wonder if someone could give me an advice regarding programming environment/IDE. Seems like the eclipse plugin isn't developed anymore, so what is left? Is JEdit still the best environment to work with when developing Netrexx applications? -- View this message in context: http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/Which-IDE-tp4026717.html Sent from the ibm-netrexx mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft® Windows® and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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This forum is currently the only support venue for NetRexx products as far as I know, including the jEdit and Eclipse plugins. I have not seen any recent problem reports from you or anyone else. I have just now obtained a stable location and internet access and should be able to look at NetRexx issues shortly, including any with the new jEdit release.
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On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 4:31 PM, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:
> These are more appropriate > for larger efforts and the concepts add to the learning curve. Eclipse is > not for the faint of heart or the casual or beginning programmer. There should be a BlueJ for NetRexx :) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlueJ http://www.bluej.org/download/download.html It focuses on teaching and encouraging object-oriented design and shows a UML diagram of the project as the main view. (Yea, I know, but let me dream ;) FC -- During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act - George Orwell _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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To add my thoughts, as a user of both Eclipse and jEdit...
A quick hack - jEdit every time, Eclipse would just be an unnecessary overhead A larger project - either, depending on what is required. Anything with a GUI - Eclipse every time Most things integrating with existing code, especially multi-platform or multi-framework Eclipse. The ability to use such things as WindowBuilder is a massive plus for Eclipse. The ability to knock out a quick 50 line script is a good fit for jEdit. I use, and need, both environments, and I, for one, hope that Bill does not give up on his work, nor Kermit his. Thanks go to both from a grateful user. Dave. -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of [hidden email] Sent: 09 August 2013 21:32 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] Which IDE Since I'm the author of the Eclipse NetRexx plugin, I should comment on this. I haven't totally given up on this (labor of love) project. It has been clear from the start that the NetRexx community (such as it is) has preferred JEdit (or a simple text editor) for NetRexx development. I've always taken the position that there are advantages and disadvantages to every development approach, and if users prefer JEdit because they are familiar with it or for some other reason, that is what they should use. Eclipse is certainly a very complex IDE and it has a high learning curve. It is more frequently used in larger commercial shops than in smaller efforts. Eclipse requires more resources to use, and for some situations, it is vast overkill. For example, Eclipse requires a rigid project structure and provides a continuous automatic project build. These are more appropriate for larger efforts and the concepts add to the learning curve. Eclipse is not for the faint of heart or the casual or beginning programmer. While I was somewhat disappointed that my work generated little interest, I think a more telling problem is that the Eclipse world in general doesn't seem to have much interest in NetRexx. I fear that unless NetRexx makes inroads into the commercial world it may remain a marginal language. Earlier this year I was preparing a new release (a major rewrite) and I hope to get back to it after I resolve some minor medical and other problems. Bill Fenlason Original email: ----------------- From: sleipner [hidden email] Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 10:16:21 -0700 (PDT) To: [hidden email] Subject: [Ibm-netrexx] Which IDE Haven't done anything with Netrexx for a couple of years, so it's great that the language isn't dead. I wonder if someone could give me an advice regarding programming environment/IDE. Seems like the eclipse plugin isn't developed anymore, so what is left? Is JEdit still the best environment to work with when developing Netrexx applications? -- View this message in context: http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/Which-IDE-tp4026717.html Sent from the ibm-netrexx mailing list archive at Nabble.com. _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium MicrosoftR WindowsR and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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Dave,
any chance you could do a skeletal writeup of how to do Swing GUI development with Eclipse and NetRexx using the NetRexx-plugin? I can do one for NetBeans, when I last tried Eclipse in anger it only did SWT GUI's. The programming guide would greatly benefit from it. If you just can give me a bulleted list, I can replay that and expand into text. It is a great injustice that the Eclipse world seems not interested in NetRexx anyway, because once, there was a VisualAge for Java prototype for NetRexx, and we know what the roots of Eclipse are. As soon as I remember the names of the two guys that worked on it (I thought from the J9 group in Ottawa then) I am going to ask them if there are any remnants of it. We also must unearth the java version of Lpex; as Mike indicated, it might have been open sourced in earlier Eclipses and then we could adopt what we need from it. best regards, René. On 10 aug. 2013, at 17:45, Dave Woodman <[hidden email]> wrote: > To add my thoughts, as a user of both Eclipse and jEdit... > > A quick hack - jEdit every time, Eclipse would just be an unnecessary > overhead > A larger project - either, depending on what is required. > Anything with a GUI - Eclipse every time > Most things integrating with existing code, especially multi-platform or > multi-framework Eclipse. > > The ability to use such things as WindowBuilder is a massive plus for > Eclipse. > The ability to knock out a quick 50 line script is a good fit for jEdit. > > I use, and need, both environments, and I, for one, hope that Bill does not > give up on his work, nor Kermit his. > > Thanks go to both from a grateful user. > > Dave. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of [hidden email] > Sent: 09 August 2013 21:32 > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] Which IDE > > Since I'm the author of the Eclipse NetRexx plugin, I should comment on > this. > > I haven't totally given up on this (labor of love) project. > > It has been clear from the start that the NetRexx community (such as it is) > has preferred JEdit (or a simple text editor) for NetRexx development. > I've always taken the position that there are advantages and disadvantages > to every development approach, and if users prefer JEdit because they are > familiar with it or for some other reason, that is what they should use. > > Eclipse is certainly a very complex IDE and it has a high learning curve. > It is more frequently used in larger commercial shops than in smaller > efforts. > Eclipse requires more resources to use, and for some situations, it is vast > overkill. For example, Eclipse requires a rigid project structure and > provides a continuous automatic project build. These are more appropriate > for larger efforts and the concepts add to the learning curve. Eclipse is > not for the faint of heart or the casual or beginning programmer. > > While I was somewhat disappointed that my work generated little interest, I > think a more telling problem is that the Eclipse world in general doesn't > seem to have much interest in NetRexx. I fear that unless NetRexx makes > inroads into the commercial world it may remain a marginal language. > > Earlier this year I was preparing a new release (a major rewrite) and I hope > to get back to it after I resolve some minor medical and other problems. > > Bill Fenlason > > > Original email: > ----------------- > From: sleipner [hidden email] > Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 10:16:21 -0700 (PDT) > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [Ibm-netrexx] Which IDE > > > Haven't done anything with Netrexx for a couple of years, so it's great that > the language isn't dead. > > I wonder if someone could give me an advice regarding programming > environment/IDE. Seems like the eclipse plugin isn't developed anymore, so > what is left? Is JEdit still the best environment to work with when > developing Netrexx applications? > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/Which-IDE-tp4026717.html > Sent from the ibm-netrexx mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Ibm-netrexx mailing list > [hidden email] > Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > myhosting.com - Premium MicrosoftR WindowsR and Linux web and application > hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting > > > _______________________________________________ > Ibm-netrexx mailing list > [hidden email] > Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Ibm-netrexx mailing list > [hidden email] > Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ > _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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Hi all;
Am 10.08.2013 18:00, schrieb René Jansen: > Dave, > > any chance you could do a skeletal writeup of how to do Swing GUI development with Eclipse and NetRexx using the NetRexx-plugin? I can do one for NetBeans, when I last tried Eclipse in anger it only did SWT GUI's. The programming guide would greatly benefit from it. If you just can give me a bulleted list, I can replay that and expand into text. > > It is a great injustice that the Eclipse world seems not interested in NetRexx anyway, because once, there was a VisualAge for Java prototype for NetRexx, and we know what the roots of Eclipse are. As soon as I remember the names of the two guys that worked on it (I thought from the J9 group in Ottawa then) I am going to ask them if there are any remnants of it. We also must unearth the java version of Lpex; as Mike indicated, it might have been open sourced in earlier Eclipses and then we could adopt what we need from it. > I'd really apprecciate such an enhamncement for the programming guide! I've created GUIs with jedit and NetRexx in the past, but that only works for smaller projects IMHO. Coincidentally I've been asked three days ago, if it's possible to create/build a GUI, while still do the main programming NetRexx. For shure the hand-crufted approach with jedit won't work. So the decision to go with NetRexx is heavily related to the ability either to use Elcipse or NetBeans to do the GUI stuff. kp > > > On 10 aug. 2013, at 17:45, Dave Woodman <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> To add my thoughts, as a user of both Eclipse and jEdit... >> >> A quick hack - jEdit every time, Eclipse would just be an unnecessary >> overhead >> A larger project - either, depending on what is required. >> Anything with a GUI - Eclipse every time >> Most things integrating with existing code, especially multi-platform or >> multi-framework Eclipse. >> >> The ability to use such things as WindowBuilder is a massive plus for >> Eclipse. >> The ability to knock out a quick 50 line script is a good fit for jEdit. >> >> I use, and need, both environments, and I, for one, hope that Bill does not >> give up on his work, nor Kermit his. >> >> Thanks go to both from a grateful user. >> >> Dave. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [hidden email] >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of [hidden email] >> Sent: 09 August 2013 21:32 >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] Which IDE >> >> Since I'm the author of the Eclipse NetRexx plugin, I should comment on >> this. >> >> I haven't totally given up on this (labor of love) project. >> >> It has been clear from the start that the NetRexx community (such as it is) >> has preferred JEdit (or a simple text editor) for NetRexx development. >> I've always taken the position that there are advantages and disadvantages >> to every development approach, and if users prefer JEdit because they are >> familiar with it or for some other reason, that is what they should use. >> >> Eclipse is certainly a very complex IDE and it has a high learning curve. >> It is more frequently used in larger commercial shops than in smaller >> efforts. >> Eclipse requires more resources to use, and for some situations, it is vast >> overkill. For example, Eclipse requires a rigid project structure and >> provides a continuous automatic project build. These are more appropriate >> for larger efforts and the concepts add to the learning curve. Eclipse is >> not for the faint of heart or the casual or beginning programmer. >> >> While I was somewhat disappointed that my work generated little interest, I >> think a more telling problem is that the Eclipse world in general doesn't >> seem to have much interest in NetRexx. I fear that unless NetRexx makes >> inroads into the commercial world it may remain a marginal language. >> >> Earlier this year I was preparing a new release (a major rewrite) and I hope >> to get back to it after I resolve some minor medical and other problems. >> >> Bill Fenlason >> >> >> Original email: >> ----------------- >> From: sleipner [hidden email] >> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 10:16:21 -0700 (PDT) >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: [Ibm-netrexx] Which IDE >> >> >> Haven't done anything with Netrexx for a couple of years, so it's great that >> the language isn't dead. >> >> I wonder if someone could give me an advice regarding programming >> environment/IDE. Seems like the eclipse plugin isn't developed anymore, so >> what is left? Is JEdit still the best environment to work with when >> developing Netrexx applications? >> >> >> >> -- >> View this message in context: >> http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/Which-IDE-tp4026717.html >> Sent from the ibm-netrexx mailing list archive at Nabble.com. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ibm-netrexx mailing list >> [hidden email] >> Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------- >> myhosting.com - Premium MicrosoftR WindowsR and Linux web and application >> hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ibm-netrexx mailing list >> [hidden email] >> Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Ibm-netrexx mailing list >> [hidden email] >> Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ >> > > _______________________________________________ > Ibm-netrexx mailing list > [hidden email] > Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ > > _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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Well, I'm happy to share what I do - but let me set some expectations...
*I* don't really do Swing - I let WindowBuilder do It for me. I find that WindowBuilder does what I need, and writes sensible Java whilst it does so. I write a NetRexx 'bridge' class - this is instantiated from the generated java, and called out to on a Swing event taking place. The approach is simplistic, but works for what I have needed so far. If this is of use then I'll gladly provide for wider consumption. Dave. -----Original Message----- From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of René Jansen Sent: 10 August 2013 17:00 To: IBM Netrexx Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] Which IDE Dave, any chance you could do a skeletal writeup of how to do Swing GUI development with Eclipse and NetRexx using the NetRexx-plugin? I can do one for NetBeans, when I last tried Eclipse in anger it only did SWT GUI's. The programming guide would greatly benefit from it. If you just can give me a bulleted list, I can replay that and expand into text. It is a great injustice that the Eclipse world seems not interested in NetRexx anyway, because once, there was a VisualAge for Java prototype for NetRexx, and we know what the roots of Eclipse are. As soon as I remember the names of the two guys that worked on it (I thought from the J9 group in Ottawa then) I am going to ask them if there are any remnants of it. We also must unearth the java version of Lpex; as Mike indicated, it might have been open sourced in earlier Eclipses and then we could adopt what we need from it. best regards, René. On 10 aug. 2013, at 17:45, Dave Woodman <[hidden email]> wrote: > To add my thoughts, as a user of both Eclipse and jEdit... > > A quick hack - jEdit every time, Eclipse would just be an unnecessary > overhead A larger project - either, depending on what is required. > Anything with a GUI - Eclipse every time Most things integrating with > existing code, especially multi-platform or multi-framework Eclipse. > > The ability to use such things as WindowBuilder is a massive plus for > Eclipse. > The ability to knock out a quick 50 line script is a good fit for jEdit. > > I use, and need, both environments, and I, for one, hope that Bill > does not give up on his work, nor Kermit his. > > Thanks go to both from a grateful user. > > Dave. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of > [hidden email] > Sent: 09 August 2013 21:32 > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] Which IDE > > Since I'm the author of the Eclipse NetRexx plugin, I should comment > on this. > > I haven't totally given up on this (labor of love) project. > > It has been clear from the start that the NetRexx community (such as > it is) has preferred JEdit (or a simple text editor) for NetRexx > I've always taken the position that there are advantages and > disadvantages to every development approach, and if users prefer JEdit > because they are familiar with it or for some other reason, that is what they should use. > > Eclipse is certainly a very complex IDE and it has a high learning curve. > It is more frequently used in larger commercial shops than in smaller > efforts. > Eclipse requires more resources to use, and for some situations, it is > vast overkill. For example, Eclipse requires a rigid project > structure and provides a continuous automatic project build. These > are more appropriate for larger efforts and the concepts add to the > learning curve. Eclipse is not for the faint of heart or the casual or beginning programmer. > > While I was somewhat disappointed that my work generated little > interest, I think a more telling problem is that the Eclipse world in > general doesn't seem to have much interest in NetRexx. I fear that > unless NetRexx makes inroads into the commercial world it may remain a marginal language. > > Earlier this year I was preparing a new release (a major rewrite) and > I hope to get back to it after I resolve some minor medical and other problems. > > Bill Fenlason > > > Original email: > ----------------- > From: sleipner [hidden email] > Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 10:16:21 -0700 (PDT) > To: [hidden email] > Subject: [Ibm-netrexx] Which IDE > > > Haven't done anything with Netrexx for a couple of years, so it's > great that the language isn't dead. > > I wonder if someone could give me an advice regarding programming > environment/IDE. Seems like the eclipse plugin isn't developed > anymore, so what is left? Is JEdit still the best environment to work > with when developing Netrexx applications? > > > > -- > View this message in context: > http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/Which-IDE-tp4026717.html > Sent from the ibm-netrexx mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > _______________________________________________ > Ibm-netrexx mailing list > [hidden email] > Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > myhosting.com - Premium MicrosoftR WindowsR and Linux web and > application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting > > > _______________________________________________ > Ibm-netrexx mailing list > [hidden email] > Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Ibm-netrexx mailing list > [hidden email] > Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ > _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ _______________________________________________ Ibm-netrexx mailing list [hidden email] Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ |
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Hi Dave;
Am 12.08.2013 09:05, schrieb Dave Woodman: > Well, I'm happy to share what I do - but let me set some expectations... > > *I* don't really do Swing - I let WindowBuilder do It for me. I find that > WindowBuilder does what I need, and writes sensible Java whilst it does so. > > I write a NetRexx 'bridge' class - this is instantiated from the generated > java, and called out to on a Swing event taking place. > > The approach is simplistic, but works for what I have needed so far. > > If this is of use then I'll gladly provide for wider consumption. Just speaking for myself, I didn't expect more than that, but consider it as a welcome help building GUI's. Hope this approach is more valuable, than trying to exchange mails with IBM offcials ten years ago about Visual Age for NetRexx (too bad that there even had been a prototype, as Rene mentioned) kp > Dave. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [hidden email] > [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of René Jansen > Sent: 10 August 2013 17:00 > To: IBM Netrexx > Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] Which IDE > > Dave, > > any chance you could do a skeletal writeup of how to do Swing GUI > development with Eclipse and NetRexx using the NetRexx-plugin? I can do one > for NetBeans, when I last tried Eclipse in anger it only did SWT GUI's. The > programming guide would greatly benefit from it. If you just can give me a > bulleted list, I can replay that and expand into text. > > It is a great injustice that the Eclipse world seems not interested in > NetRexx anyway, because once, there was a VisualAge for Java prototype for > NetRexx, and we know what the roots of Eclipse are. As soon as I remember > the names of the two guys that worked on it (I thought from the J9 group in > Ottawa then) I am going to ask them if there are any remnants of it. We also > must unearth the java version of Lpex; as Mike indicated, it might have been > open sourced in earlier Eclipses and then we could adopt what we need from > it. > > best regards, > > René. > > > > On 10 aug. 2013, at 17:45, Dave Woodman <[hidden email]> wrote: > >> To add my thoughts, as a user of both Eclipse and jEdit... >> >> A quick hack - jEdit every time, Eclipse would just be an unnecessary >> overhead A larger project - either, depending on what is required. >> Anything with a GUI - Eclipse every time Most things integrating with >> existing code, especially multi-platform or multi-framework Eclipse. >> >> The ability to use such things as WindowBuilder is a massive plus for >> Eclipse. >> The ability to knock out a quick 50 line script is a good fit for jEdit. >> >> I use, and need, both environments, and I, for one, hope that Bill >> does not give up on his work, nor Kermit his. >> >> Thanks go to both from a grateful user. >> >> Dave. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [hidden email] >> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of >> [hidden email] >> Sent: 09 August 2013 21:32 >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] Which IDE >> >> Since I'm the author of the Eclipse NetRexx plugin, I should comment >> on this. >> >> I haven't totally given up on this (labor of love) project. >> >> It has been clear from the start that the NetRexx community (such as >> it is) has preferred JEdit (or a simple text editor) for NetRexx > development. >> I've always taken the position that there are advantages and >> disadvantages to every development approach, and if users prefer JEdit >> because they are familiar with it or for some other reason, that is what > they should use. >> >> Eclipse is certainly a very complex IDE and it has a high learning curve. >> It is more frequently used in larger commercial shops than in smaller >> efforts. >> Eclipse requires more resources to use, and for some situations, it is >> vast overkill. For example, Eclipse requires a rigid project >> structure and provides a continuous automatic project build. These >> are more appropriate for larger efforts and the concepts add to the >> learning curve. Eclipse is not for the faint of heart or the casual or > beginning programmer. >> >> While I was somewhat disappointed that my work generated little >> interest, I think a more telling problem is that the Eclipse world in >> general doesn't seem to have much interest in NetRexx. I fear that >> unless NetRexx makes inroads into the commercial world it may remain a > marginal language. >> >> Earlier this year I was preparing a new release (a major rewrite) and >> I hope to get back to it after I resolve some minor medical and other > problems. >> >> Bill Fenlason >> >> >> Original email: >> ----------------- >> From: sleipner [hidden email] >> Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 10:16:21 -0700 (PDT) >> To: [hidden email] >> Subject: [Ibm-netrexx] Which IDE >> >> >> Haven't done anything with Netrexx for a couple of years, so it's >> great that the language isn't dead. >> >> I wonder if someone could give me an advice regarding programming >> environment/IDE. Seems like the eclipse plugin isn't developed >> anymore, so what is left? 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