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Re: NetRexx 3.01 RC2 released

ThSITC
Hi Mike,

*why the hell* do you know sooooo many things I never heard even about*

Thomas.
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Am 28.09.2011 18:25, schrieb Mike Cowlishaw:

>
>>> I am used to batch oriented, tagged text files that can be
>>> diff'ed and
>>> versioned, and keep my mind off of formatting issues.
>> At the great peril of initiating a flame war here, I feel
>> compelled to mention Knuth's TeX (and LaTeX) as exactly that:
>> "tagged text files."
>> Diff'ing them meaningfully would require some rigor to
>> maintain line structure, etc., but versioning could be done
>> internally or externally.
>>
>> Further, for those daunted by the prospect of embedded
>> markup, there exist WYSIWYG editors (LyX, TeXnicCenter among others).
> As just mentioned in separate post, .odt files are also 'tagged text files'
> (XML) in this case derived from other 'tagged text files' (GML) :-).
>
> I seem to recall, though, that Tex/Latex doesn't let one generate good PDF files
> (e.g., crisp printing, copy and paste from the PDF, live contents list links,
> etc.)?  Or has than been fixed?
>
> Mike
>
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>


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Re: NetRexx 3.01 RC2 released

Tom Maynard
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On 9/28/2011 11:25 AM, Mike Cowlishaw wrote:
>
> I seem to recall, though, that Tex/Latex doesn't let one generate good PDF files
> (e.g., crisp printing, copy and paste from the PDF, live contents list links,
> etc.)?  Or has than been fixed?

Fixed.  The program pdflatex produces superlative multicolor documents
with hyperlinks (ToC, footnotes, etc.) ... and more.  I'm unaware of
"copy and paste from the PDF" ... I'm not even sure what that means, but
it sounds like it would be more a function of the PDF reader in use than
of the file itself.

Tom.

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RE: NetRexx 3.01 RC2 released

Dave Woodman
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I see at least two ways through your problems

1. Those that insist must assist. If there exist those that insist on a particular toolset being used then they should, at a bare minimum, provide enough support to enable that use.

2. Like Tom, I can only suggest that the TeX family may be more comfortable for you - the important thing - for me at least - is that it be an open source solution to your problem.

Like Mike, I am surprised that oOo has let you down - it can normally be persuaded to do the necessary.

Cheers,

        Dave.

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Hi Dave,

thanks for noticing.

As it is, I am entirely unhappy with Open Office as a means for
maintaining documentation - I am used to batch oriented, tagged text
files that can be diff'ed and versioned, and keep my mind off of
formatting issues. Now, I have to click tables and indexes to update
them, need to notice headers and footers in different sections, and for
example, in the language definition document I spent nearly half an hour
to include the license information (which seems to be a feature of ICU-
the need to attribute license and copright into the documentation)- I
wanted to add it as an appendix but there was no way I could wedge
another appendix between the existing ones and the index. This is when I
gave up and added it in front. Why it refuses to number after header 1,
it sometimes inserts a line and sometimes not, and generally reacts
differently after clicking first somewhere else, is totally beyond me.

In fact, only because the list contains some staunch Open Office fans
(both speaking Spanish by the way) I have not given up yet. That moment
might come soon though.

I will try to work in the formal Java 1.5 dependency - it will make it
less complex in some places.

best regards,

René Jansen.

On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 22:39:47 +0100, Dave Woodman wrote:

> Hi Rene,
>
> Since you are on the subject, I also notice that the page numbering
> is broken - some pages seem to e missing completely.  
>
> For instance, page 12 is simply not present.
>
> From other threads in the list I gather that there is a target of
> Java 1.5 - the documentation mentions 1.1 for compilation and 1.2 for
> the interpret functions.
>
> Cheers,
>
>                 Dave.
>
> FROM: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] ON BEHALF OF René Jansen
> SENT: 27 September 2011 22:04
> TO: IBM Netrexx
> SUBJECT: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] NetRexx 3.01 RC2 released
>
> Hi KP,
>
> thanks for reviewing this so thoroughly - I will correct these
> errors.
>
> best regards,
>
> René Jansen.
>
> On 26 sep. 2011, at 19:04, KP Kirchdoerfer wrote:
>
> Am Montag, 26. September 2011, 00:12:21 schrieben Sie:
>
>> Some moments ago RC2 has been released to the netrexx.org [1]
> download area.
>
>>
>
>> Changes between RC1 and RC2:
>
>>
>
>> - changed wording and addition of some license related information,
> in
>
>> anticipation of IBM's response to our query - added Rosettacode.org
> [2]
>
>> examples by Alan Sampson.
>
>>
>
>> The final release could now, depending on feedback, be soon. We
> will be
>
>> following the release procedure for this - it will appear on the
> wiki
>
>> shortly. The only expected changes for the final release are
> additions
>
>> to the User Guide and possibly changes to the starter scripts.
>
> Hi;
>
> I found some errors in the NetRexx User Guide:
>
> pg 7
>
> For other operating systems, see the Sun Microsystems Java web page
> at http://www.javasoft.com [3]
>
> sould read Oracle Java web page?
>
> pg 11
>
> java org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC heljo
>
> is obviously *hello*
>
> pg 16 is missing
>
> pg 17
>
> deleted, unless an error occurred or you asked for it to be kept.4
>
> empty/missing footnote(4) ?
>
> pg 24
>
> must be if the name includes any blanks in its specifica- tion).
>
> should be *specification*
>
> pg 25
>
> Version 2.00 Copyright (c) IBM Corporation 1996, 2000. All rights
> reserved. 24
>
> leftover?
>
> pg 28
>
> allowing NetRexx programs to be run on the Java 2 (1.2) platform
> without needing a compiler or
>
> (1.2 and above) ??
>
> pg 29
>
> specifications or flags. Specifying -noarg is equiv- alent to
> specifying -exec; that is, an empty array of
>
> should be *equivalent*
>
> pg 35
>
> inadvertently. In the example, nocrossref is sup- plied to stop a
> cross-reference file being written, and
>
> should be *supplied*
>
> This method lets you obtain a Class object (an object of type
> java.lang.Class) repres- enting a class (or
>
> should be *representing*
>
> pg 36
>
> method eval(programname=String, programstring=String,
> methodname=String, argstring=String "" etc
>
> Formatting is wrong.
>
> pg 38
>
> Java 1.2 (Java 2) is required.
>
> Java 1.2 or later ??
>
> pg 40
>
> * When a minor (inner) class is explicitly imported, its parent class
> or classes must
>
> also be explicitly imported, or javac will report that the class
> cannot be found.
>
> formatting
>
> pg 40
>
> bug in javac;9 one workaround is to move some of the code out of the
> loop, perhaps into a
>
> missing/empty footnote 9?
>
> hth
>
> kp
>
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>
>
>
> Links:
> ------
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> [2] http://Rosettacode.org
> [3] http://www.javasoft.com
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Re: NetRexx 3.01 RC2 released

KP Kirchdörfer
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Am Dienstag, 27. September 2011, 23:03:44 schrieben Sie:

> Hi KP,

>

> thanks for reviewing this so thoroughly - I will correct these errors.

 

Hello;

 

Whatever (open) format will be choosen in the future, if the sources are available in a SCM, I could have added myself the corrections - as far as I understand the implications).

Maybe I've overlooked the source file on kenai in my hurry.

 

kp


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Re: NetRexx 3.01 RC2 released

ThSITC
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Hello Tom Maynard,

I am not really sure what you fixed, and what has been your source for
the fix.

Can you please send

*some docuumentation*

(*or* ,

      *as attachments are NOT allowed on this list)*

Some URL's and URI's I can read about all that? Please?

Thank you so much,
... in advance.


Massa Thomas (I do have a new Nick-Name, you see????)
=================================================

m 28.09.2011 19:41, schrieb Tom Maynard:

> On 9/28/2011 11:25 AM, Mike Cowlishaw wrote:
>>
>> I seem to recall, though, that Tex/Latex doesn't let one generate
>> good PDF files
>> (e.g., crisp printing, copy and paste from the PDF, live contents
>> list links,
>> etc.)?  Or has than been fixed?
>
> Fixed.  The program pdflatex produces superlative multicolor documents
> with hyperlinks (ToC, footnotes, etc.) ... and more.  I'm unaware of
> "copy and paste from the PDF" ... I'm not even sure what that means,
> but it sounds like it would be more a function of the PDF reader in
> use than of the file itself.
>
> Tom.
>
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>


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RE: NetRexx 3.01 RC2 released

Mike Cowlishaw
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> > I seem to recall, though, that Tex/Latex doesn't let one
> > generate good
> > PDF files (e.g., crisp printing, copy and paste from the PDF, live
> > contents list links, etc.)?  Or has than been fixed?
>
> Fixed.  The program pdflatex produces superlative multicolor
> documents with hyperlinks (ToC, footnotes, etc.) ... and
> more.

That's good.

> I'm unaware of "copy and paste from the PDF" ... I'm
> not even sure what that means, but it sounds like it would be
> more a function of the PDF reader in use than of the file itself.

Well, let's assume Adobe Acrobat reader.  Can one select text from the PDF file
(assuming it has not been marked to disallow that) and copy it to other
applications?

Mike

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Re: NetRexx 3.01 RC2 released

George Hovey-2
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Rene,
RE "files that can be diff'ed and versioned".

One thing I'm pretty sure OOo can do is put marks in the margin indicating changed text.  I last saw that in IBM manuals in the 60's and thought highly of the feature.  Of course some sort of change log is also needed.
George

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:24 AM, rvjansen <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Dave,

thanks for noticing.

As it is, I am entirely unhappy with Open Office as a means for maintaining documentation - I am used to batch oriented, tagged text files that can be diff'ed and versioned, and keep my mind off of formatting issues. Now, I have to click tables and indexes to update them, need to notice headers and footers in different sections, and for example, in the language definition document I spent nearly half an hour to include the license information (which seems to be a feature of ICU- the need to attribute license and copright into the documentation)- I wanted to add it as an appendix but there was no way I could wedge another appendix between the existing ones and the index. This is when I gave up and added it in front. Why it refuses to number after header 1, it sometimes inserts a line and sometimes not, and generally reacts differently after clicking first somewhere else, is totally beyond me.

In fact, only because the list contains some staunch Open Office fans (both speaking Spanish by the way) I have not given up yet. That moment might come soon though.

I will try to work in the formal Java 1.5 dependency - it will make it less complex in some places.

best regards,

René Jansen.


On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 22:39:47 +0100, Dave Woodman wrote:
Hi Rene,

Since you are on the subject, I also notice that the page numbering
is broken - some pages seem to e missing completely.  

For instance, page 12 is simply not present.

>From other threads in the list I gather that there is a target of
Java 1.5 - the documentation mentions 1.1 for compilation and 1.2 for
the interpret functions.

Cheers,

                Dave.

FROM: [hidden email]
[mailto:[hidden email]] ON BEHALF OF René Jansen
SENT: 27 September 2011 22:04
TO: IBM Netrexx
SUBJECT: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] NetRexx 3.01 RC2 released


Hi KP,

thanks for reviewing this so thoroughly - I will correct these
errors.

best regards,

René Jansen.

On 26 sep. 2011, at 19:04, KP Kirchdoerfer wrote:

Am Montag, 26. September 2011, 00:12:21 schrieben Sie:

Some moments ago RC2 has been released to the netrexx.org [1]
download area.



Changes between RC1 and RC2:



- changed wording and addition of some license related information,
in

anticipation of IBM's response to our query - added Rosettacode.org
[2]


examples by Alan Sampson.



The final release could now, depending on feedback, be soon. We
will be

following the release procedure for this - it will appear on the
wiki

shortly. The only expected changes for the final release are
additions

to the User Guide and possibly changes to the starter scripts.

Hi;

I found some errors in the NetRexx User Guide:

pg 7

For other operating systems, see the Sun Microsystems Java web page
at http://www.javasoft.com [3]


sould read Oracle Java web page?

pg 11

java org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC heljo

is obviously *hello*

pg 16 is missing

pg 17

deleted, unless an error occurred or you asked for it to be kept.4

empty/missing footnote(4) ?

pg 24

must be if the name includes any blanks in its specifica- tion).

should be *specification*

pg 25

Version 2.00 Copyright (c) IBM Corporation 1996, 2000. All rights
reserved. 24

leftover?

pg 28

allowing NetRexx programs to be run on the Java 2 (1.2) platform
without needing a compiler or

(1.2 and above) ??

pg 29

specifications or flags. Specifying -noarg is equiv- alent to
specifying -exec; that is, an empty array of

should be *equivalent*

pg 35

inadvertently. In the example, nocrossref is sup- plied to stop a
cross-reference file being written, and

should be *supplied*

This method lets you obtain a Class object (an object of type
java.lang.Class) repres- enting a class (or

should be *representing*

pg 36

method eval(programname=String, programstring=String,
methodname=String, argstring=String "" etc

Formatting is wrong.

pg 38

Java 1.2 (Java 2) is required.

Java 1.2 or later ??

pg 40

* When a minor (inner) class is explicitly imported, its parent class
or classes must

also be explicitly imported, or javac will report that the class
cannot be found.

formatting

pg 40

bug in javac;9 one workaround is to move some of the code out of the
loop, perhaps into a

missing/empty footnote 9?

hth

kp

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Re: NetRexx 3.01 RC2 released

Tom Maynard
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On 9/28/2011 2:28 PM, Mike Cowlishaw wrote:
Well, let's assume Adobe Acrobat reader. Can one select text from the PDF file (assuming it has not been marked to disallow that) and copy it to other applications?

I use Foxit Reader v3.1.4.1125 and I'm perfectly capable of selecting text in a PDF, copying it to the clipboard and pasting it somewhere else.  I just verified this with NRL3.PDF and this very note:

The structure of a NetRexx program is extremely simple.  This sample program, “toast”, is complete,
documented, and executable as it stands:
/* This wishes you the best of health. */
say 'Cheers!'
This program consists of two lines: the first is an optional comment that describes the purpose of the
program, and the second is a say instruction.  say simply displays the result of the expression
following it – in this case just a literal string (you can use either single or double quotes around strings,
as you prefer).

I can't speak for Adobe Acrobat since I stopped using it years ago.

Tom.

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Re: NetRexx 3.01 RC2 released

Tom Maynard
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On 9/28/2011 2:21 PM, Thomas Schneider wrote:
>
> I am not really sure what you fixed, and what has been your source for
> the fix.
>
> Can you please send...Some URL's and URI's I can read about all that?
> Please?
>

I fixed nothing.  I merely answered Mike's question about TeX's ability
to produce PDF output.  To learn more about TeX and LaTex, I suggest:

http://www.tug.org
http://www.latex-project.org/

Tom.

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RE: NetRexx 3.01 RC2 released

Dave Woodman
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Yes, you can. Using the same example as Tom...

NetRexx programs
The structure of a NetRexx program is extremely simple. This sample program,
"toast", is complete,
documented, and executable as it stands:
/* This wishes you the best of health. */
say 'Cheers!'
This program consists of two lines: the first is an optional comment that
describes the purpose of the
program, and the second is a say instruction. say simply displays the result
of the expression
following it - in this case just a literal string (you can use either single
or double quotes around strings,
as you prefer).

Cheers,

        Dave.

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> > I seem to recall, though, that Tex/Latex doesn't let one
> > generate good
> > PDF files (e.g., crisp printing, copy and paste from the PDF, live
> > contents list links, etc.)?  Or has than been fixed?
>
> Fixed.  The program pdflatex produces superlative multicolor
> documents with hyperlinks (ToC, footnotes, etc.) ... and
> more.

That's good.

> I'm unaware of "copy and paste from the PDF" ... I'm
> not even sure what that means, but it sounds like it would be
> more a function of the PDF reader in use than of the file itself.

Well, let's assume Adobe Acrobat reader.  Can one select text from the PDF
file
(assuming it has not been marked to disallow that) and copy it to other
applications?

Mike

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Re: NetRexx 3.01 RC2 released

Jason Monroe Martin
On documentation formats:

Tex and Latex like NetRexx is powerful magic. I still use it a lot. I
even used the Maemo version on my Nokia N700 and N800 (small INTERNET
tablets) years ago. An office suite without a GUI if you learn it.
Having them output a PDF is as cross platform as you can get. OpenOffice
works OK too. I think a lot of Unix and Linux systems now use DocBook. I
know at one time IBM thought highly of it.

On installers:

I think letting the user manually set up his environment from reading
very clearly stated documentation is OK.

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Re: NetRexx 3.01 RC2 released

Kermit Kiser
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René -

RC2 looks pretty good. Here are some more documentation issues:

-warnexit0 appears to be an undocumented option. There is nothing in the
ug PDF or the readme about it as far as I can see although everyone
seems to know about it somehow.

The historical change log does not mention the fix that Mike made 14 Jan
2005 for comment formatting. That is not a big deal except for the fact
that the last release by IBM carries that 2005 date.

Question: Do you want to include the script fix for the -run x.nrx
problem that Rony reported (issue 52)?

-- Kermit


On 9/25/2011 3:12 PM, René Jansen wrote:

> Some moments ago RC2 has been released to the netrexx.org download area.
>
> Changes between RC1 and RC2:
>
> - changed wording and addition of some license related information, in anticipation of IBM's response to our query
> - added Rosettacode.org examples by Alan Sampson.
>
> The final release could now, depending on feedback, be soon. We will be following the release procedure for this - it will appear on the wiki shortly.
> The only expected changes for the final release are additions to the User Guide and possibly changes to the starter scripts.
>
> best regards,
>
> René Jansen.
>
>
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Re: NetRexx 3.01 RC2 released

rvjansen
Kermit,

yes, I think we owe it to Rony to put in the fix for the issue he
uncovered. If you can check it into trunk it will be in the final 3.01.
I will try to document the -warnexit0.

best regards,

René

On Thu, 29 Sep 2011 01:30:50 -0700, Kermit Kiser wrote:

> René -
>
> RC2 looks pretty good. Here are some more documentation issues:
>
> -warnexit0 appears to be an undocumented option. There is nothing in
> the ug PDF or the readme about it as far as I can see although
> everyone seems to know about it somehow.
>
> The historical change log does not mention the fix that Mike made 14
> Jan 2005 for comment formatting. That is not a big deal except for
> the
> fact that the last release by IBM carries that 2005 date.
>
> Question: Do you want to include the script fix for the -run x.nrx
> problem that Rony reported (issue 52)?
>
> -- Kermit
>
>
> On 9/25/2011 3:12 PM, René Jansen wrote:
>> Some moments ago RC2 has been released to the netrexx.org download
>> area.
>>
>> Changes between RC1 and RC2:
>>
>> - changed wording and addition of some license related information,
>> in anticipation of IBM's response to our query
>> - added Rosettacode.org examples by Alan Sampson.
>>
>> The final release could now, depending on feedback, be soon. We will
>> be following the release procedure for this - it will appear on the
>> wiki shortly.
>> The only expected changes for the final release are additions to the
>> User Guide and possibly changes to the starter scripts.
>>
>> best regards,
>>
>> René Jansen.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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Mike,

yes, I would like the gml to have a look at and see what can be done with that.

Copy/paste and empty out - I see.

I would like to experiment with the user guide first, the language definition is ok as it is and probably much more stable content-wise.

best regards,

René.

On 28 sep. 2011, at 18:22, Mike Cowlishaw wrote:

> I'm quite surprised by this, as I used Open Office for several years (as Editor
> of IEEE 754) and -- although I would have done things differently in many cases,
> such as having properly nested sections, etc. -- found I was able to generate a
> good document at the end of the day.  
>
> The ODT editor is a bit crude, I agree.  To add a new chapter/appendix it is
> often easiest to copy and paste an existing one, then delete most of its content
> and then change the title and content as required.
>
>
> A couple of thoughts:
>
> 1. You can always edit the XML files directly.  Open Office .odt is just a .zip
> file containing various style and content .xml files.
>
> 2. The nrl3.odt was automatically generated (using Rexx scripts) from my
> original gml (:tagnotation.) files.  RexxLA is most welcome to those if useful
> -- they are content-equivalent apart from commentary (commented-out text, etc.),
> so I am sure would be considered covered by the existing IBM/RexxLA agreement.
> I could send one of the source files for you to inspect/consider if you would
> like.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of rvjansen
>> Sent: 28 September 2011 15:24
>> To: IBM Netrexx
>> Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] NetRexx 3.01 RC2 released
>>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> thanks for noticing.
>>
>> As it is, I am entirely unhappy with Open Office as a means
>> for maintaining documentation - I am used to batch oriented,
>> tagged text files that can be diff'ed and versioned, and keep
>> my mind off of formatting issues. Now, I have to click tables
>> and indexes to update them, need to notice headers and
>> footers in different sections, and for example, in the
>> language definition document I spent nearly half an hour to
>> include the license information (which seems to be a feature
>> of ICU- the need to attribute license and copright into the
>> documentation)- I wanted to add it as an appendix but there
>> was no way I could wedge another appendix between the
>> existing ones and the index. This is when I gave up and added
>> it in front. Why it refuses to number after header 1, it
>> sometimes inserts a line and sometimes not, and generally
>> reacts differently after clicking first somewhere else, is
>> totally beyond me.
>>
>> In fact, only because the list contains some staunch Open
>> Office fans (both speaking Spanish by the way) I have not
>> given up yet. That moment might come soon though.
>>
>> I will try to work in the formal Java 1.5 dependency - it
>> will make it less complex in some places.
>>
>> best regards,
>>
>> René Jansen.
>>
>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 22:39:47 +0100, Dave Woodman wrote:
>>> Hi Rene,
>>>
>>> Since you are on the subject, I also notice that the page
>> numbering is
>>> broken - some pages seem to e missing completely.
>>>
>>> For instance, page 12 is simply not present.
>>>
>>> From other threads in the list I gather that there is a
>> target of Java
>>> 1.5 - the documentation mentions 1.1 for compilation and
>> 1.2 for the
>>> interpret functions.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>                 Dave.
>>>
>>> FROM: [hidden email]
>>> [mailto:[hidden email]] ON BEHALF OF
>> René Jansen
>>> SENT: 27 September 2011 22:04
>>> TO: IBM Netrexx
>>> SUBJECT: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] NetRexx 3.01 RC2 released
>>>
>>> Hi KP,
>>>
>>> thanks for reviewing this so thoroughly - I will correct
>> these errors.
>>>
>>> best regards,
>>>
>>> René Jansen.
>>>
>>> On 26 sep. 2011, at 19:04, KP Kirchdoerfer wrote:
>>>
>>> Am Montag, 26. September 2011, 00:12:21 schrieben Sie:
>>>
>>>> Some moments ago RC2 has been released to the netrexx.org [1]
>>> download area.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> Changes between RC1 and RC2:
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> - changed wording and addition of some license related information,
>>> in
>>>
>>>> anticipation of IBM's response to our query - added Rosettacode.org
>>> [2]
>>>
>>>> examples by Alan Sampson.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>> The final release could now, depending on feedback, be soon. We
>>> will be
>>>
>>>> following the release procedure for this - it will appear on the
>>> wiki
>>>
>>>> shortly. The only expected changes for the final release are
>>> additions
>>>
>>>> to the User Guide and possibly changes to the starter scripts.
>>>
>>> Hi;
>>>
>>> I found some errors in the NetRexx User Guide:
>>>
>>> pg 7
>>>
>>> For other operating systems, see the Sun Microsystems Java
>> web page at
>>> http://www.javasoft.com [3]
>>>
>>> sould read Oracle Java web page?
>>>
>>> pg 11
>>>
>>> java org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC heljo
>>>
>>> is obviously *hello*
>>>
>>> pg 16 is missing
>>>
>>> pg 17
>>>
>>> deleted, unless an error occurred or you asked for it to be kept.4
>>>
>>> empty/missing footnote(4) ?
>>>
>>> pg 24
>>>
>>> must be if the name includes any blanks in its specifica- tion).
>>>
>>> should be *specification*
>>>
>>> pg 25
>>>
>>> Version 2.00 Copyright (c) IBM Corporation 1996, 2000. All rights
>>> reserved. 24
>>>
>>> leftover?
>>>
>>> pg 28
>>>
>>> allowing NetRexx programs to be run on the Java 2 (1.2) platform
>>> without needing a compiler or
>>>
>>> (1.2 and above) ??
>>>
>>> pg 29
>>>
>>> specifications or flags. Specifying -noarg is equiv- alent to
>>> specifying -exec; that is, an empty array of
>>>
>>> should be *equivalent*
>>>
>>> pg 35
>>>
>>> inadvertently. In the example, nocrossref is sup- plied to stop a
>>> cross-reference file being written, and
>>>
>>> should be *supplied*
>>>
>>> This method lets you obtain a Class object (an object of type
>>> java.lang.Class) repres- enting a class (or
>>>
>>> should be *representing*
>>>
>>> pg 36
>>>
>>> method eval(programname=String, programstring=String,
>>> methodname=String, argstring=String "" etc
>>>
>>> Formatting is wrong.
>>>
>>> pg 38
>>>
>>> Java 1.2 (Java 2) is required.
>>>
>>> Java 1.2 or later ??
>>>
>>> pg 40
>>>
>>> * When a minor (inner) class is explicitly imported, its
>> parent class
>>> or classes must
>>>
>>> also be explicitly imported, or javac will report that the class
>>> cannot be found.
>>>
>>> formatting
>>>
>>> pg 40
>>>
>>> bug in javac;9 one workaround is to move some of the code
>> out of the
>>> loop, perhaps into a
>>>
>>> missing/empty footnote 9?
>>>
>>> hth
>>>
>>> kp
>>>
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>>>
>>> Links:
>>> ------
>>> [1] http://netrexx.org
>>> [2] http://Rosettacode.org
>>> [3] http://www.javasoft.com
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RE: NetRexx 3.01 RC2 released

Mike Cowlishaw
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Tom, I was asking about PDF files made from Tex/Latex (rather than, say, Open Office).   It used to be that Tex/Latex PDFs did not have selectable text.
 
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Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] NetRexx 3.01 RC2 released

On 9/28/2011 2:28 PM, Mike Cowlishaw wrote:
Well, let's assume Adobe Acrobat reader. Can one select text from the PDF file (assuming it has not been marked to disallow that) and copy it to other applications?

I use Foxit Reader v3.1.4.1125 and I'm perfectly capable of selecting text in a PDF, copying it to the clipboard and pasting it somewhere else.  I just verified this with NRL3.PDF and this very note:

The structure of a NetRexx program is extremely simple.  This sample program, “toast”, is complete,
documented, and executable as it stands:
/* This wishes you the best of health. */
say 'Cheers!'
This program consists of two lines: the first is an optional comment that describes the purpose of the
program, and the second is a say instruction.  say simply displays the result of the expression
following it – in this case just a literal string (you can use either single or double quotes around strings,
as you prefer).

I can't speak for Adobe Acrobat since I stopped using it years ago.

Tom.

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rvjansen
Mike,

yes; selectable text, hyperlinks, etc. pdflatex does it all. I remember
when it was problematic but now it is all solved.

best regards,

René.

On Fri, 30 Sep 2011 08:28:02 +0100, Mike Cowlishaw wrote:

> Tom, I was asking about PDF files made from Tex/Latex (rather than,
> say, Open Office). It used to be that Tex/Latex PDFs did not have
> selectable text.
>
> Mike
>
>> -------------------------
>> [hidden email]
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>> 28 September 2011 21:47
>> IBM Netrexx
>> Re: [Ibm-netrexx] NetRexx 3.01 RC2 released
>>
>> On 9/28/2011 2:28 PM, Mike Cowlishaw wrote:
>>
>>> Well, let's assume Adobe Acrobat reader. Can one select text from
>>> the PDF file (assuming it has not been marked to disallow that)
>>> and copy it to other applications?
>>
>> I use Foxit Reader v3.1.4.1125 and I'm perfectly capable of
>> selecting text in a PDF, copying it to the clipboard and pasting it
>> somewhere else. I just verified this with NRL3.PDF and this very
>> note:
>>
>> The structure of a NetRexx program is extremely simple. This sample
>> program, "toast", is complete,
>> documented, and executable as it stands:
>> /* This wishes you the best of health. */
>> say 'Cheers!'
>> This program consists of two lines: the first is an optional
>> comment that describes the purpose of the
>> program, and the second is a say instruction. say simply displays
>> the result of the expression
>> following it - in this case just a literal string (you can use
>> either single or double quotes around strings,
>> as you prefer).
>>
>> I can't speak for Adobe Acrobat since I stopped using it years ago.
>>
>> Tom.

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Mike Cowlishaw
> yes; selectable text, hyperlinks, etc. pdflatex does it all.
> I remember when it was problematic but now it is all solved.

OK thanks.  GML -> Latex might be a good route, then.  Maybe manual kerning
between italic/roman text is also solved now, too.

[OTT .. remembering many good conversations with Don about that, and why he
wished he'd insisted on decimal arithmetic in Tex...]

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problems installing the new release.

kenner

I *had* everything working, then I dl'ed and unzipped the new release and it broke:

 > nrc gpbevel1.
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Ne
Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: NetRexxC
        at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:
        at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native
        at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.j
        at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:3
        at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launche
        at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:2
Could not find the main class: NetRexxC.  Program will exit.

 > type netrexxc.bat
@REM : Batch file to translate and compile a NetRexx program, and
@REM : optionally run the resulting class file
@REM :-----------------------------------------------------------------
@REM : use as:  NetRexxC hello
@REM :
@REM :   which will use the NetRexx translator to translate the
@REM :     source file hello.nrx to hello.java
@REM :   then will use javac to compile hello.java
@REM :
@REM : Up to eight OPTIONS keywords may be added (with a -) before or
@REM : after the file specification, along with the extra flags known
@REM : to NetRexxC (such as -keep).   For example:
@REM :
@REM :    NetRexxC -keep -format -comments hello
@REM :
@REM : Invoke with no parameters for a full list of flags.
@REM :
@REM : To run the class after compilation, specify -run as the
@REM : first word of the command arguments and the name of the
@REM : class as the second word.  Note that the case of the
@REM : letters must be exactly correct for this to work, and do not
@REM : specify the .nrx extension.  For example:
@REM :
@REM :    NetRexxC -run hello
@REM :
@REM : For a more flexible script for this, see NetRexxC.cmd
@REM :-----------------------------------------------------------------
@REM : 1996.12.28 -- initial version derived from NetRexxC.cmd
@REM : 1998.05.25 -- use NETREXX_JAVA as options to java.exe
@REM : 2011.09.01 -- use org.netrexx.process
@REM : 2011.09.01 -- remove -xms4M

@echo off
set netrexxc.bat_run=no
if not '%1'=='-run' goto compile
  set netrexxc.bat_run=yes
  shift
:compile
java %netrexx_java% NetRexxC %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9
@REM java %netrexx_java% org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9
if errorlevel 2 goto quit
if %netrexxc.bat_run%==no goto quit
echo Running %1...
java %1
:quit

I did change the "java %netrexx_java%.. line after the exec failed on the 'org.netrexx.process' line.

 > nrc gpbevel1.nrx
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/netrexx/process/Ne
Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC
        at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:202)
        at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
        at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:190)
        at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:307)
        at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:301)
        at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:248)
Could not find the main class: org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC.  Program will exit.

I didn't change my CLASSPATH so how come the exec can find the NetrexxC file?

Kenneth Klein
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ThSITC
hello kenneth,
  I presume you will have to CHANGE your netrexx_java ENVIRONMENT variable.

Thomas.
=======================================================
Am 30.09.2011 19:00, schrieb [hidden email]

I *had* everything working, then I dl'ed and unzipped the new release and it broke:

 > nrc gpbevel1.
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Ne
Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: NetRexxC
        at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:
        at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native
        at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.j
        at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:3
        at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launche
        at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:2
Could not find the main class: NetRexxC.  Program will exit.

 > type netrexxc.bat
@REM : Batch file to translate and compile a NetRexx program, and
@REM : optionally run the resulting class file
@REM :-----------------------------------------------------------------
@REM : use as:  NetRexxC hello
@REM :
@REM :   which will use the NetRexx translator to translate the
@REM :     source file hello.nrx to hello.java
@REM :   then will use javac to compile hello.java
@REM :
@REM : Up to eight OPTIONS keywords may be added (with a -) before or
@REM : after the file specification, along with the extra flags known
@REM : to NetRexxC (such as -keep).   For example:
@REM :
@REM :    NetRexxC -keep -format -comments hello
@REM :
@REM : Invoke with no parameters for a full list of flags.
@REM :
@REM : To run the class after compilation, specify -run as the
@REM : first word of the command arguments and the name of the
@REM : class as the second word.  Note that the case of the
@REM : letters must be exactly correct for this to work, and do not
@REM : specify the .nrx extension.  For example:
@REM :
@REM :    NetRexxC -run hello
@REM :
@REM : For a more flexible script for this, see NetRexxC.cmd
@REM :-----------------------------------------------------------------
@REM : 1996.12.28 -- initial version derived from NetRexxC.cmd
@REM : 1998.05.25 -- use NETREXX_JAVA as options to java.exe
@REM : 2011.09.01 -- use org.netrexx.process
@REM : 2011.09.01 -- remove -xms4M

@echo off
set netrexxc.bat_run=no
if not '%1'=='-run' goto compile
  set netrexxc.bat_run=yes
  shift
:compile
java %netrexx_java% NetRexxC %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9
@REM java %netrexx_java% org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9
if errorlevel 2 goto quit
if %netrexxc.bat_run%==no goto quit
echo Running %1...
java %1
:quit

I did change the "java %netrexx_java%.. line after the exec failed on the 'org.netrexx.process' line.

 > nrc gpbevel1.nrx
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/netrexx/process/Ne
Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC
        at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:202)
        at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
        at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:190)
        at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:307)
        at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:301)
        at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:248)
Could not find the main class: org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC.  Program will exit.

I didn't change my CLASSPATH so how come the exec can find the NetrexxC file?

Kenneth Klein
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Re: problems installing the new release.

Kermit Kiser
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Is it finding an old version of NetRexx here?:

C:\Documents and Settings\keklein\My Documents\REXX\NetRexx\bin\NetRexxC.jar

Can you give us an updated envirotest and tell us where you put the new version?

http://kenai.com/projects/netrexx-plus/downloads/download/Envirotest/envirotest.class

--KK


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I *had* everything working, then I dl'ed and unzipped the new release and it broke:

 > nrc gpbevel1.
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: Ne
Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: NetRexxC
        at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:
        at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native
        at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.j
        at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:3
        at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launche
        at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:2
Could not find the main class: NetRexxC.  Program will exit.

 > type netrexxc.bat
@REM : Batch file to translate and compile a NetRexx program, and
@REM : optionally run the resulting class file
@REM :-----------------------------------------------------------------
@REM : use as:  NetRexxC hello
@REM :
@REM :   which will use the NetRexx translator to translate the
@REM :     source file hello.nrx to hello.java
@REM :   then will use javac to compile hello.java
@REM :
@REM : Up to eight OPTIONS keywords may be added (with a -) before or
@REM : after the file specification, along with the extra flags known
@REM : to NetRexxC (such as -keep).   For example:
@REM :
@REM :    NetRexxC -keep -format -comments hello
@REM :
@REM : Invoke with no parameters for a full list of flags.
@REM :
@REM : To run the class after compilation, specify -run as the
@REM : first word of the command arguments and the name of the
@REM : class as the second word.  Note that the case of the
@REM : letters must be exactly correct for this to work, and do not
@REM : specify the .nrx extension.  For example:
@REM :
@REM :    NetRexxC -run hello
@REM :
@REM : For a more flexible script for this, see NetRexxC.cmd
@REM :-----------------------------------------------------------------
@REM : 1996.12.28 -- initial version derived from NetRexxC.cmd
@REM : 1998.05.25 -- use NETREXX_JAVA as options to java.exe
@REM : 2011.09.01 -- use org.netrexx.process
@REM : 2011.09.01 -- remove -xms4M

@echo off
set netrexxc.bat_run=no
if not '%1'=='-run' goto compile
  set netrexxc.bat_run=yes
  shift
:compile
java %netrexx_java% NetRexxC %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9
@REM java %netrexx_java% org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9
if errorlevel 2 goto quit
if %netrexxc.bat_run%==no goto quit
echo Running %1...
java %1
:quit

I did change the "java %netrexx_java%.. line after the exec failed on the 'org.netrexx.process' line.

 > nrc gpbevel1.nrx
Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/netrexx/process/Ne
Caused by: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC
        at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(URLClassLoader.java:202)
        at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
        at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(URLClassLoader.java:190)
        at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:307)
        at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Launcher.java:301)
        at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(ClassLoader.java:248)
Could not find the main class: org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC.  Program will exit.

I didn't change my CLASSPATH so how come the exec can find the NetrexxC file?

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