NetRexx 3.01 RC2 released

[rvjansen]

Some moments ago RC2 has been released to the netrexx.org download area.

Changes between RC1 and RC2:

- changed wording and addition of some license related information, in anticipation of IBM's response to our query
- added Rosettacode.org examples by Alan Sampson.

The final release could now, depending on feedback, be soon. We will be following the release procedure for this - it will appear on the wiki shortly.
The only expected changes for the final release are additions to the User Guide and possibly changes to the starter scripts.

best regards,

René Jansen.


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[KP Kirchdörfer]

Am Montag, 26. September 2011, 00:12:21 schrieben Sie:

> Some moments ago RC2 has been released to the netrexx.org download area.

>

> Changes between RC1 and RC2:

>

> - changed wording and addition of some license related information, in

> anticipation of IBM's response to our query - added Rosettacode.org

> examples by Alan Sampson.

>

> The final release could now, depending on feedback, be soon. We will be

> following the release procedure for this - it will appear on the wiki

> shortly. The only expected changes for the final release are additions

> to the User Guide and possibly changes to the starter scripts.

 

Hi;

 

I found some errors in the NetRexx User Guide:

 

pg 7

For other operating systems, see the Sun Microsystems Java web page at http://www.javasoft.com

 

sould read Oracle Java web page?

 

pg 11

java org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC heljo

 

is obviously *hello*

 

pg 16 is missing

 

pg 17

deleted, unless an error occurred or you asked for it to be kept.4

 

empty/missing footnote(4) ?

 

 

 

pg 24

must be if the name includes any blanks in its specifica- tion).

 

should be *specification*

 

 

pg 25

Version 2.00 Copyright (c) IBM Corporation 1996, 2000. All rights reserved. 24

 

leftover?

 

pg 28

allowing NetRexx programs to be run on the Java 2 (1.2) platform without needing a compiler or

 

(1.2 and above) ??

 

pg 29

specifications or flags. Specifying –noarg is equiv- alent to specifying –exec; that is, an empty array of

 

should be *equivalent*

 

pg 35

inadvertently. In the example, nocrossref is sup- plied to stop a cross-reference file being written, and

 

should be *supplied*

 

This method lets you obtain a Class object (an object of type java.lang.Class) repres- enting a class (or

 

should be *representing*

 

pg 36

method eval(programname=String, programstring=String, methodname=String, argstring=String "" etc

 

Formatting is wrong.

 

pg 38

Java 1.2 (Java 2) is required.

 

Java 1.2 or later ??

 

pg 40

• When a minor (inner) class is explicitly imported, its parent class or classes must

also be explicitly imported, or javac will report that the class cannot be found.

 

formatting

 

 

pg 40

bug in javac;9 one workaround is to move some of the code out of the loop, perhaps into a

 

missing/empty footnote 9?

 

 

hth

kp

 

 

 

 

 

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[rvjansen]

<base href="x-msg://68/">Hi KP,

thanks for reviewing this so thoroughly - I will correct these errors.

best regards,

René Jansen.

On 26 sep. 2011, at 19:04, KP Kirchdoerfer wrote:

Am Montag, 26. September 2011, 00:12:21 schrieben Sie:

> Some moments ago RC2 has been released to the netrexx.org download area.

>

> Changes between RC1 and RC2:

>

> - changed wording and addition of some license related information, in

> anticipation of IBM's response to our query - added Rosettacode.org

> examples by Alan Sampson.

>

> The final release could now, depending on feedback, be soon. We will be

> following the release procedure for this - it will appear on the wiki

> shortly. The only expected changes for the final release are additions

> to the User Guide and possibly changes to the starter scripts.

 

Hi;

 

I found some errors in the NetRexx User Guide:

 

pg 7

For other operating systems, see the Sun Microsystems Java web page at http://www.javasoft.com

 

sould read Oracle Java web page?

 

pg 11

java org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC heljo

 

is obviously *hello*

 

pg 16 is missing

 

pg 17

deleted, unless an error occurred or you asked for it to be kept.4

 

empty/missing footnote(4) ?

 

 

 

pg 24

must be if the name includes any blanks in its specifica- tion).

 

should be *specification*

 

 

pg 25

Version 2.00 Copyright (c) IBM Corporation 1996, 2000. All rights reserved. 24

 

leftover?

 

pg 28

allowing NetRexx programs to be run on the Java 2 (1.2) platform without needing a compiler or

 

(1.2 and above) ??

 

pg 29

specifications or flags. Specifying –noarg is equiv- alent to specifying –exec; that is, an empty array of

 

should be *equivalent*

 

pg 35

inadvertently. In the example, nocrossref is sup- plied to stop a cross-reference file being written, and

 

should be *supplied*

 

This method lets you obtain a Class object (an object of type java.lang.Class) repres- enting a class (or

 

should be *representing*

 

pg 36

method eval(programname=String, programstring=String, methodname=String, argstring=String "" etc

 

Formatting is wrong.

 

pg 38

Java 1.2 (Java 2) is required.

 

Java 1.2 or later ??

 

pg 40

• When a minor (inner) class is explicitly imported, its parent class or classes must

also be explicitly imported, or javac will report that the class cannot be found.

 

formatting

 

 

pg 40

bug in javac;9 one workaround is to move some of the code out of the loop, perhaps into a

 

missing/empty footnote 9?

 

 

hth

kp

 

 

 

 

 

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[Dave Woodman]

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Hi Rene,

 

Since you are on the subject, I also notice that the page numbering is broken – some pages seem to e missing completely.  

 

For instance, page 12 is simply not present.

 

From other threads in the list I gather that there is a target of Java 1.5 – the documentation mentions 1.1 for compilation and 1.2 for the interpret functions.

 

Cheers,

 

                Dave.

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of René Jansen
Sent: 27 September 2011 22:04
To: IBM Netrexx
Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] NetRexx 3.01 RC2 released

 

Hi KP,

 

thanks for reviewing this so thoroughly - I will correct these errors.

 

best regards,

 

René Jansen.

 

On 26 sep. 2011, at 19:04, KP Kirchdoerfer wrote:

Am Montag, 26. September 2011, 00:12:21 schrieben Sie:

> Some moments ago RC2 has been released to the netrexx.org download area.

>

> Changes between RC1 and RC2:

>

> - changed wording and addition of some license related information, in

> anticipation of IBM's response to our query - added Rosettacode.org

> examples by Alan Sampson.

>

> The final release could now, depending on feedback, be soon. We will be

> following the release procedure for this - it will appear on the wiki

> shortly. The only expected changes for the final release are additions

> to the User Guide and possibly changes to the starter scripts.

 

Hi;

 

I found some errors in the NetRexx User Guide:

 

pg 7

For other operating systems, see the Sun Microsystems Java web page at http://www.javasoft.com

 

sould read Oracle Java web page?

 

pg 11

java org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC heljo

 

is obviously *hello*

 

pg 16 is missing

 

pg 17

deleted, unless an error occurred or you asked for it to be kept.4

 

empty/missing footnote(4) ?

 

 

 

pg 24

must be if the name includes any blanks in its specifica- tion).

 

should be *specification*

 

 

pg 25

Version 2.00 Copyright (c) IBM Corporation 1996, 2000. All rights reserved. 24

 

leftover?

 

pg 28

allowing NetRexx programs to be run on the Java 2 (1.2) platform without needing a compiler or

 

(1.2 and above) ??

 

pg 29

specifications or flags. Specifying –noarg is equiv- alent to specifying –exec; that is, an empty array of

 

should be *equivalent*

 

pg 35

inadvertently. In the example, nocrossref is sup- plied to stop a cross-reference file being written, and

 

should be *supplied*

 

This method lets you obtain a Class object (an object of type java.lang.Class) repres- enting a class (or

 

should be *representing*

 

pg 36

method eval(programname=String, programstring=String, methodname=String, argstring=String "" etc

 

Formatting is wrong.

 

pg 38

Java 1.2 (Java 2) is required.

 

Java 1.2 or later ??

 

pg 40

• When a minor (inner) class is explicitly imported, its parent class or classes must

also be explicitly imported, or javac will report that the class cannot be found.

 

formatting

 

 

pg 40

bug in javac;9 one workaround is to move some of the code out of the loop, perhaps into a

 

missing/empty footnote 9?

 

 

hth

kp

 

 

 

 

 

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[Robert L Hamilton]

Surely, there must be a 'Manual Writing' App out there in ICANN-land somewhere.  si no! maybe this would be a job for NetRexx?

Bob Hamilton
Richardson Texas USA

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Dave Woodman <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Rene,

 

Since you are on the subject, I also notice that the page numbering is broken – some pages seem to e missing completely.  

 

For instance, page 12 is simply not present.

 

From other threads in the list I gather that there is a target of Java 1.5 – the documentation mentions 1.1 for compilation and 1.2 for the interpret functions.

 

Cheers,

 

                Dave.

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of René Jansen
Sent: 27 September 2011 22:04
To: IBM Netrexx
Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] NetRexx 3.01 RC2 released

 

Hi KP,

 

thanks for reviewing this so thoroughly - I will correct these errors.

 

best regards,

 

René Jansen.

 

On 26 sep. 2011, at 19:04, KP Kirchdoerfer wrote:

Am Montag, 26. September 2011, 00:12:21 schrieben Sie:

> Some moments ago RC2 has been released to the netrexx.org download area.

>

> Changes between RC1 and RC2:

>

> - changed wording and addition of some license related information, in

> anticipation of IBM's response to our query - added Rosettacode.org

> examples by Alan Sampson.

>

> The final release could now, depending on feedback, be soon. We will be

> following the release procedure for this - it will appear on the wiki

> shortly. The only expected changes for the final release are additions

> to the User Guide and possibly changes to the starter scripts.

 

Hi;

 

I found some errors in the NetRexx User Guide:

 

pg 7

For other operating systems, see the Sun Microsystems Java web page at http://www.javasoft.com

 

sould read Oracle Java web page?

 

pg 11

java org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC heljo

 

is obviously *hello*

 

pg 16 is missing

 

pg 17

deleted, unless an error occurred or you asked for it to be kept.4

 

empty/missing footnote(4) ?

 

 

 

pg 24

must be if the name includes any blanks in its specifica- tion).

 

should be *specification*

 

 

pg 25

Version 2.00 Copyright (c) IBM Corporation 1996, 2000. All rights reserved. 24

 

leftover?

 

pg 28

allowing NetRexx programs to be run on the Java 2 (1.2) platform without needing a compiler or

 

(1.2 and above) ??

 

pg 29

specifications or flags. Specifying –noarg is equiv- alent to specifying –exec; that is, an empty array of

 

should be *equivalent*

 

pg 35

inadvertently. In the example, nocrossref is sup- plied to stop a cross-reference file being written, and

 

should be *supplied*

 

This method lets you obtain a Class object (an object of type java.lang.Class) repres- enting a class (or

 

should be *representing*

 

pg 36

method eval(programname=String, programstring=String, methodname=String, argstring=String "" etc

 

Formatting is wrong.

 

pg 38

Java 1.2 (Java 2) is required.

 

Java 1.2 or later ??

 

pg 40

• When a minor (inner) class is explicitly imported, its parent class or classes must

also be explicitly imported, or javac will report that the class cannot be found.

 

formatting

 

 

pg 40

bug in javac;9 one workaround is to move some of the code out of the loop, perhaps into a

 

missing/empty footnote 9?

 

 

hth

kp

 

 

 

 

 

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[rvjansen]

Hi Dave,

thanks for noticing.

As it is, I am entirely unhappy with Open Office as a means for
maintaining documentation - I am used to batch oriented, tagged text
files that can be diff'ed and versioned, and keep my mind off of
formatting issues. Now, I have to click tables and indexes to update
them, need to notice headers and footers in different sections, and for
example, in the language definition document I spent nearly half an hour
to include the license information (which seems to be a feature of ICU-
the need to attribute license and copright into the documentation)- I
wanted to add it as an appendix but there was no way I could wedge
another appendix between the existing ones and the index. This is when I
gave up and added it in front. Why it refuses to number after header 1,
it sometimes inserts a line and sometimes not, and generally reacts
differently after clicking first somewhere else, is totally beyond me.

In fact, only because the list contains some staunch Open Office fans
(both speaking Spanish by the way) I have not given up yet. That moment
might come soon though.

I will try to work in the formal Java 1.5 dependency - it will make it
less complex in some places.

best regards,

René Jansen.

On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 22:39:47 +0100, Dave Woodman wrote:

> Hi Rene,
>
> Since you are on the subject, I also notice that the page numbering
> is broken - some pages seem to e missing completely.  
>
> For instance, page 12 is simply not present.
>
> From other threads in the list I gather that there is a target of
> Java 1.5 - the documentation mentions 1.1 for compilation and 1.2 for
> the interpret functions.
>
> Cheers,
>
>                 Dave.
>
> FROM: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] ON BEHALF OF René Jansen
> SENT: 27 September 2011 22:04
> TO: IBM Netrexx
> SUBJECT: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] NetRexx 3.01 RC2 released
>
> Hi KP,
>
> thanks for reviewing this so thoroughly - I will correct these
> errors.
>
> best regards,
>
> René Jansen.
>
> On 26 sep. 2011, at 19:04, KP Kirchdoerfer wrote:
>
> Am Montag, 26. September 2011, 00:12:21 schrieben Sie:
>
>> Some moments ago RC2 has been released to the netrexx.org [1]
> download area.
>
>>
>
>> Changes between RC1 and RC2:
>
>>
>
>> - changed wording and addition of some license related information,
> in
>
>> anticipation of IBM's response to our query - added Rosettacode.org
> [2]
>
>> examples by Alan Sampson.
>
>>
>
>> The final release could now, depending on feedback, be soon. We
> will be
>
>> following the release procedure for this - it will appear on the
> wiki
>
>> shortly. The only expected changes for the final release are
> additions
>
>> to the User Guide and possibly changes to the starter scripts.
>
> Hi;
>
> I found some errors in the NetRexx User Guide:
>
> pg 7
>
> For other operating systems, see the Sun Microsystems Java web page
> at http://www.javasoft.com [3]
>
> sould read Oracle Java web page?
>
> pg 11
>
> java org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC heljo
>
> is obviously *hello*
>
> pg 16 is missing
>
> pg 17
>
> deleted, unless an error occurred or you asked for it to be kept.4
>
> empty/missing footnote(4) ?
>
> pg 24
>
> must be if the name includes any blanks in its specifica- tion).
>
> should be *specification*
>
> pg 25
>
> Version 2.00 Copyright (c) IBM Corporation 1996, 2000. All rights
> reserved. 24
>
> leftover?
>
> pg 28
>
> allowing NetRexx programs to be run on the Java 2 (1.2) platform
> without needing a compiler or
>
> (1.2 and above) ??
>
> pg 29
>
> specifications or flags. Specifying -noarg is equiv- alent to
> specifying -exec; that is, an empty array of
>
> should be *equivalent*
>
> pg 35
>
> inadvertently. In the example, nocrossref is sup- plied to stop a
> cross-reference file being written, and
>
> should be *supplied*
>
> This method lets you obtain a Class object (an object of type
> java.lang.Class) repres- enting a class (or
>
> should be *representing*
>
> pg 36
>
> method eval(programname=String, programstring=String,
> methodname=String, argstring=String "" etc
>
> Formatting is wrong.
>
> pg 38
>
> Java 1.2 (Java 2) is required.
>
> Java 1.2 or later ??
>
> pg 40
>
> * When a minor (inner) class is explicitly imported, its parent class
> or classes must
>
> also be explicitly imported, or javac will report that the class
> cannot be found.
>
> formatting
>
> pg 40
>
> bug in javac;9 one workaround is to move some of the code out of the
> loop, perhaps into a
>
> missing/empty footnote 9?
>
> hth
>
> kp
>
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> [2] http://Rosettacode.org
> [3] http://www.javasoft.com
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[ThSITC]

What is a manual Writing App, Robert?

And what is ICANN  Land?
Thomas.

Am 28.09.2011 16:06, schrieb Robert Hamilton:

Surely, there must be a 'Manual Writing' App out there in ICANN-land somewhere.  si no! maybe this would be a job for NetRexx?

Bob Hamilton
Richardson Texas USA

On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Dave Woodman <[hidden email]> wrote:

Hi Rene,

 

Since you are on the subject, I also notice that the page numbering is broken – some pages seem to e missing completely.  

 

For instance, page 12 is simply not present.

 

From other threads in the list I gather that there is a target of Java 1.5 – the documentation mentions 1.1 for compilation and 1.2 for the interpret functions.

 

Cheers,

 

                Dave.

 

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of René Jansen
Sent: 27 September 2011 22:04
To: IBM Netrexx
Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] NetRexx 3.01 RC2 released

 

Hi KP,

 

thanks for reviewing this so thoroughly - I will correct these errors.

 

best regards,

 

René Jansen.

 

On 26 sep. 2011, at 19:04, KP Kirchdoerfer wrote:

Am Montag, 26. September 2011, 00:12:21 schrieben Sie:

> Some moments ago RC2 has been released to the netrexx.org download area.

>

> Changes between RC1 and RC2:

>

> - changed wording and addition of some license related information, in

> anticipation of IBM's response to our query - added Rosettacode.org

> examples by Alan Sampson.

>

> The final release could now, depending on feedback, be soon. We will be

> following the release procedure for this - it will appear on the wiki

> shortly. The only expected changes for the final release are additions

> to the User Guide and possibly changes to the starter scripts.

 

Hi;

 

I found some errors in the NetRexx User Guide:

 

pg 7

For other operating systems, see the Sun Microsystems Java web page at http://www.javasoft.com

 

sould read Oracle Java web page?

 

pg 11

java org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC heljo

 

is obviously *hello*

 

pg 16 is missing

 

pg 17

deleted, unless an error occurred or you asked for it to be kept.4

 

empty/missing footnote(4) ?

 

 

 

pg 24

must be if the name includes any blanks in its specifica- tion).

 

should be *specification*

 

 

pg 25

Version 2.00 Copyright (c) IBM Corporation 1996, 2000. All rights reserved. 24

 

leftover?

 

pg 28

allowing NetRexx programs to be run on the Java 2 (1.2) platform without needing a compiler or

 

(1.2 and above) ??

 

pg 29

specifications or flags. Specifying –noarg is equiv- alent to specifying –exec; that is, an empty array of

 

should be *equivalent*

 

pg 35

inadvertently. In the example, nocrossref is sup- plied to stop a cross-reference file being written, and

 

should be *supplied*

 

This method lets you obtain a Class object (an object of type java.lang.Class) repres- enting a class (or

 

should be *representing*

 

pg 36

method eval(programname=String, programstring=String, methodname=String, argstring=String "" etc

 

Formatting is wrong.

 

pg 38

Java 1.2 (Java 2) is required.

 

Java 1.2 or later ??

 

pg 40

• When a minor (inner) class is explicitly imported, its parent class or classes must

also be explicitly imported, or javac will report that the class cannot be found.

 

formatting

 

 

pg 40

bug in javac;9 one workaround is to move some of the code out of the loop, perhaps into a

 

missing/empty footnote 9?

 

 

hth

kp

 

 

 

 

 

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[Tom Maynard]

On 9/28/2011 9:24 AM, rvjansen wrote:
>
>
> I am used to batch oriented, tagged text files that can be diff'ed and
> versioned, and keep my mind off of formatting issues.

At the great peril of initiating a flame war here, I feel compelled to
mention Knuth's TeX (and LaTeX) as exactly that: "tagged text files."  
Diff'ing them meaningfully would require some rigor to maintain line
structure, etc., but versioning could be done internally or externally.

Further, for those daunted by the prospect of embedded markup, there
exist WYSIWYG editors (LyX, TeXnicCenter among others).

Just a thought.

Tom.

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[Robert L Hamilton]

JAT: maybe we should have asked IBM to outsource their stuff for creating manuals.  Maybe not.

BobH

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Tom Maynard <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 9/28/2011 9:24 AM, rvjansen wrote:

I am used to batch oriented, tagged text files that can be diff'ed and versioned, and keep my mind off of formatting issues.

At the great peril of initiating a flame war here, I feel compelled to mention Knuth's TeX (and LaTeX) as exactly that: "tagged text files."  Diff'ing them meaningfully would require some rigor to maintain line structure, etc., but versioning could be done internally or externally.

Further, for those daunted by the prospect of embedded markup, there exist WYSIWYG editors (LyX, TeXnicCenter among others).

Just a thought.

Tom.

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[ThSITC]

Hello Rene, by the way:

    1.) You, and all there, are doing a marvelous job!
    2.) Thank you!
    3.) By the way, Prof. Rony Flatscher, (RONY) here in Vienna, is also
an *Open Office* Fan (he is maybe speaking Espagnol, but surely NO SPAIN!)

<<<<< grin >>>>

What I do suggest is:

1.) Please have the responsibles of the REXXLA home-page *to update*
their home-page! Too many sub-sites under constrution... I did notice
that this sunday past !

2.) After release of NetRexx 3.01, please do REPLY to to the (my) mails
I did send you.

You (maybe) do have an attitude (sometimes *only*) by ignoring
questions/issues.

  But, most probabl,y I think, you are simply in lack of time!

As an example, I do *need to know*

****NOW****

  whether my

org.netrexx.thsitc.runtime.compatibility

package

**is now**

  included in the upcoming NetRexx distribution (or NOT)

I do need to have a clear answer for that for my Installer, please !!!

Greetings from Vienna,

... and best wishes to Venetia, by the way.

Thomas.
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m 28.09.2011 16:24, schrieb rvjansen:

> Hi Dave,
>
> thanks for noticing.
>
> As it is, I am entirely unhappy with Open Office as a means for
> maintaining documentation - I am used to batch oriented, tagged text
> files that can be diff'ed and versioned, and keep my mind off of
> formatting issues. Now, I have to click tables and indexes to update
> them, need to notice headers and footers in different sections, and
> for example, in the language definition document I spent nearly half
> an hour to include the license information (which seems to be a
> feature of ICU- the need to attribute license and copright into the
> documentation)- I wanted to add it as an appendix but there was no way
> I could wedge another appendix between the existing ones and the
> index. This is when I gave up and added it in front. Why it refuses to
> number after header 1, it sometimes inserts a line and sometimes not,
> and generally reacts differently after clicking first somewhere else,
> is totally beyond me.
>
> In fact, only because the list contains some staunch Open Office fans
> (both speaking Spanish by the way) I have not given up yet. That
> moment might come soon though.
>
> I will try to work in the formal Java 1.5 dependency - it will make it
> less complex in some places.
>
> best regards,
>
> René Jansen.
>
> On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 22:39:47 +0100, Dave Woodman wrote:
>> Hi Rene,
>>
>> Since you are on the subject, I also notice that the page numbering
>> is broken - some pages seem to e missing completely.
>>
>> For instance, page 12 is simply not present.
>>
>> From other threads in the list I gather that there is a target of
>> Java 1.5 - the documentation mentions 1.1 for compilation and 1.2 for
>> the interpret functions.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>                 Dave.
>>
>> FROM: [hidden email]
>> [mailto:[hidden email]] ON BEHALF OF René Jansen
>> SENT: 27 September 2011 22:04
>> TO: IBM Netrexx
>> SUBJECT: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] NetRexx 3.01 RC2 released
>>
>> Hi KP,
>>
>> thanks for reviewing this so thoroughly - I will correct these
>> errors.
>>
>> best regards,
>>
>> René Jansen.
>>
>> On 26 sep. 2011, at 19:04, KP Kirchdoerfer wrote:
>>
>> Am Montag, 26. September 2011, 00:12:21 schrieben Sie:
>>
>>> Some moments ago RC2 has been released to the netrexx.org [1]
>> download area.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> Changes between RC1 and RC2:
>>
>>>
>>
>>> - changed wording and addition of some license related information,
>> in
>>
>>> anticipation of IBM's response to our query - added Rosettacode.org
>> [2]
>>
>>> examples by Alan Sampson.
>>
>>>
>>
>>> The final release could now, depending on feedback, be soon. We
>> will be
>>
>>> following the release procedure for this - it will appear on the
>> wiki
>>
>>> shortly. The only expected changes for the final release are
>> additions
>>
>>> to the User Guide and possibly changes to the starter scripts.
>>
>> Hi;
>>
>> I found some errors in the NetRexx User Guide:
>>
>> pg 7
>>
>> For other operating systems, see the Sun Microsystems Java web page
>> at http://www.javasoft.com [3]
>>
>> sould read Oracle Java web page?
>>
>> pg 11
>>
>> java org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC heljo
>>
>> is obviously *hello*
>>
>> pg 16 is missing
>>
>> pg 17
>>
>> deleted, unless an error occurred or you asked for it to be kept.4
>>
>> empty/missing footnote(4) ?
>>
>> pg 24
>>
>> must be if the name includes any blanks in its specifica- tion).
>>
>> should be *specification*
>>
>> pg 25
>>
>> Version 2.00 Copyright (c) IBM Corporation 1996, 2000. All rights
>> reserved. 24
>>
>> leftover?
>>
>> pg 28
>>
>> allowing NetRexx programs to be run on the Java 2 (1.2) platform
>> without needing a compiler or
>>
>> (1.2 and above) ??
>>
>> pg 29
>>
>> specifications or flags. Specifying -noarg is equiv- alent to
>> specifying -exec; that is, an empty array of
>>
>> should be *equivalent*
>>
>> pg 35
>>
>> inadvertently. In the example, nocrossref is sup- plied to stop a
>> cross-reference file being written, and
>>
>> should be *supplied*
>>
>> This method lets you obtain a Class object (an object of type
>> java.lang.Class) repres- enting a class (or
>>
>> should be *representing*
>>
>> pg 36
>>
>> method eval(programname=String, programstring=String,
>> methodname=String, argstring=String "" etc
>>
>> Formatting is wrong.
>>
>> pg 38
>>
>> Java 1.2 (Java 2) is required.
>>
>> Java 1.2 or later ??
>>
>> pg 40
>>
>> * When a minor (inner) class is explicitly imported, its parent class
>> or classes must
>>
>> also be explicitly imported, or javac will report that the class
>> cannot be found.
>>
>> formatting
>>
>> pg 40
>>
>> bug in javac;9 one workaround is to move some of the code out of the
>> loop, perhaps into a
>>
>> missing/empty footnote 9?
>>
>> hth
>>
>> kp
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> Links:
>> ------
>> [1] http://netrexx.org
>> [2] http://Rosettacode.org
>> [3] http://www.javasoft.com
>> [4] mailto:[hidden email]
>> [5] http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/
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[rvjansen]

Tom,

that is exactly my first choice also.

best regards,

René.

On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 10:05:53 -0500, Tom Maynard wrote:

> On 9/28/2011 9:24 AM, rvjansen wrote:
>>
>>
>> I am used to batch oriented, tagged text files that can be diff'ed
>> and versioned, and keep my mind off of formatting issues.
>
> At the great peril of initiating a flame war here, I feel compelled
> to mention Knuth's TeX (and LaTeX) as exactly that: "tagged text
> files."  Diff'ing them meaningfully would require some rigor to
> maintain line structure, etc., but versioning could be done
> internally
> or externally.
>
> Further, for those daunted by the prospect of embedded markup, there
> exist WYSIWYG editors (LyX, TeXnicCenter among others).
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Tom.
>
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René,

Ad missing pages: if these pages are empty, then this may be because of a feature of the PDF filter in OOo, which allows to omit empty pages (you would need to check that in the PDF filter property dialog). If so, then add the Property "IsSkipEmptyPages" to the PDF-creator batch program and set it to .false.


On 28.09.2011 16:24, rvjansen wrote:

As it is, I am entirely unhappy with Open Office as a means for maintaining documentation - I am used to batch oriented, tagged text files that can be diff'ed and versioned, and keep my mind off of formatting issues.

That would be available with OOo: unzip the "odt" file (it is a zip archive) and look at the "content.xml" file, which is an XML file that contains the text. AFAIK from a presentation by Mike, that was how he changed the NetRexx document from the SGML format to the OOo XML format, if I recall correctly.

---

Besides: OOo has a feature built-in that tracks changes. But also, if you have just two versions of the same document you can have OOo to compare them and mark up the differences.

Now, I have to click tables and indexes to update them, need to notice headers and footers in different sections, and for example, in the language definition document I spent nearly half an hour to include the license information (which seems to be a feature of ICU- the need to attribute license and copright into the documentation)- I wanted to add it as an appendix but there was no way I could wedge another appendix between the existing ones and the index. This is when I gave up and added it in front. Why it refuses to number after header 1, it sometimes inserts a line and sometimes not, and generally reacts differently after clicking first somewhere else, is totally beyond me.

These are "classic learning curve" efforts, as OOo is different in some UI compared to Word or other word processors.

As you know how to read German I also enclose an URL to a German documentation, maybe skimming over these URLs may jump-start you here and there to allow you save time in editing the documents yourself:

http://de.OpenOffice.org/doc/howto_2_0/writer/ooo_fuer_studenten.pdf (German)
http://www.physics.ubc.ca/computer/OpenOffice_Creating_large_docs.pdf (English)

In fact, only because the list contains some staunch Open Office fans (both speaking Spanish by the way) I have not given up yet. That moment might come soon though.

Once you get acquainted it becomes easy again.
:)


Good luck!

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[Mike Cowlishaw]

I'm quite surprised by this, as I used Open Office for several years (as Editor
of IEEE 754) and -- although I would have done things differently in many cases,
such as having properly nested sections, etc. -- found I was able to generate a
good document at the end of the day.  

The ODT editor is a bit crude, I agree.  To add a new chapter/appendix it is
often easiest to copy and paste an existing one, then delete most of its content
and then change the title and content as required.


A couple of thoughts:

1. You can always edit the XML files directly.  Open Office .odt is just a .zip
file containing various style and content .xml files.

2. The nrl3.odt was automatically generated (using Rexx scripts) from my
original gml (:tagnotation.) files.  RexxLA is most welcome to those if useful
-- they are content-equivalent apart from commentary (commented-out text, etc.),
so I am sure would be considered covered by the existing IBM/RexxLA agreement.
I could send one of the source files for you to inspect/consider if you would
like.

Mike

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: [hidden email]
> [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of rvjansen
> Sent: 28 September 2011 15:24
> To: IBM Netrexx
> Subject: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] NetRexx 3.01 RC2 released
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> thanks for noticing.
>
> As it is, I am entirely unhappy with Open Office as a means
> for maintaining documentation - I am used to batch oriented,
> tagged text files that can be diff'ed and versioned, and keep
> my mind off of formatting issues. Now, I have to click tables
> and indexes to update them, need to notice headers and
> footers in different sections, and for example, in the
> language definition document I spent nearly half an hour to
> include the license information (which seems to be a feature
> of ICU- the need to attribute license and copright into the
> documentation)- I wanted to add it as an appendix but there
> was no way I could wedge another appendix between the
> existing ones and the index. This is when I gave up and added
> it in front. Why it refuses to number after header 1, it
> sometimes inserts a line and sometimes not, and generally
> reacts differently after clicking first somewhere else, is
> totally beyond me.
>
> In fact, only because the list contains some staunch Open
> Office fans (both speaking Spanish by the way) I have not
> given up yet. That moment might come soon though.
>
> I will try to work in the formal Java 1.5 dependency - it
> will make it less complex in some places.
>
> best regards,
>
> René Jansen.
>
> On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 22:39:47 +0100, Dave Woodman wrote:
> > Hi Rene,
> >
> > Since you are on the subject, I also notice that the page
> numbering is
> > broken - some pages seem to e missing completely.
> >
> > For instance, page 12 is simply not present.
> >
> > From other threads in the list I gather that there is a
> target of Java
> > 1.5 - the documentation mentions 1.1 for compilation and
> 1.2 for the
> > interpret functions.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> >                 Dave.
> >
> > FROM: [hidden email]
> > [mailto:[hidden email]] ON BEHALF OF
> René Jansen
> > SENT: 27 September 2011 22:04
> > TO: IBM Netrexx
> > SUBJECT: Re: [Ibm-netrexx] NetRexx 3.01 RC2 released
> >
> > Hi KP,
> >
> > thanks for reviewing this so thoroughly - I will correct
> these errors.
> >
> > best regards,
> >
> > René Jansen.
> >
> > On 26 sep. 2011, at 19:04, KP Kirchdoerfer wrote:
> >
> > Am Montag, 26. September 2011, 00:12:21 schrieben Sie:
> >
> >> Some moments ago RC2 has been released to the netrexx.org [1]
> > download area.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> Changes between RC1 and RC2:
> >
> >>
> >
> >> - changed wording and addition of some license related information,
> > in
> >
> >> anticipation of IBM's response to our query - added Rosettacode.org
> > [2]
> >
> >> examples by Alan Sampson.
> >
> >>
> >
> >> The final release could now, depending on feedback, be soon. We
> > will be
> >
> >> following the release procedure for this - it will appear on the
> > wiki
> >
> >> shortly. The only expected changes for the final release are
> > additions
> >
> >> to the User Guide and possibly changes to the starter scripts.
> >
> > Hi;
> >
> > I found some errors in the NetRexx User Guide:
> >
> > pg 7
> >
> > For other operating systems, see the Sun Microsystems Java
> web page at
> > http://www.javasoft.com [3]
> >
> > sould read Oracle Java web page?
> >
> > pg 11
> >
> > java org.netrexx.process.NetRexxC heljo
> >
> > is obviously *hello*
> >
> > pg 16 is missing
> >
> > pg 17
> >
> > deleted, unless an error occurred or you asked for it to be kept.4
> >
> > empty/missing footnote(4) ?
> >
> > pg 24
> >
> > must be if the name includes any blanks in its specifica- tion).
> >
> > should be *specification*
> >
> > pg 25
> >
> > Version 2.00 Copyright (c) IBM Corporation 1996, 2000. All rights
> > reserved. 24
> >
> > leftover?
> >
> > pg 28
> >
> > allowing NetRexx programs to be run on the Java 2 (1.2) platform
> > without needing a compiler or
> >
> > (1.2 and above) ??
> >
> > pg 29
> >
> > specifications or flags. Specifying -noarg is equiv- alent to
> > specifying -exec; that is, an empty array of
> >
> > should be *equivalent*
> >
> > pg 35
> >
> > inadvertently. In the example, nocrossref is sup- plied to stop a
> > cross-reference file being written, and
> >
> > should be *supplied*
> >
> > This method lets you obtain a Class object (an object of type
> > java.lang.Class) repres- enting a class (or
> >
> > should be *representing*
> >
> > pg 36
> >
> > method eval(programname=String, programstring=String,
> > methodname=String, argstring=String "" etc
> >
> > Formatting is wrong.
> >
> > pg 38
> >
> > Java 1.2 (Java 2) is required.
> >
> > Java 1.2 or later ??
> >
> > pg 40
> >
> > * When a minor (inner) class is explicitly imported, its
> parent class
> > or classes must
> >
> > also be explicitly imported, or javac will report that the class
> > cannot be found.
> >
> > formatting
> >
> > pg 40
> >
> > bug in javac;9 one workaround is to move some of the code
> out of the
> > loop, perhaps into a
> >
> > missing/empty footnote 9?
> >
> > hth
> >
> > kp
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Ibm-netrexx mailing list
> > [hidden email] [4]
> > Online Archive : http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/ [5]
> >
> >
> >
> > Links:
> > ------
> > [1] http://netrexx.org
> > [2] http://Rosettacode.org
> > [3] http://www.javasoft.com
> > [4] mailto:[hidden email]
> > [5] http://ibm-netrexx.215625.n3.nabble.com/
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> > I am used to batch oriented, tagged text files that can be
> > diff'ed and
> > versioned, and keep my mind off of formatting issues.
>
> At the great peril of initiating a flame war here, I feel
> compelled to mention Knuth's TeX (and LaTeX) as exactly that:
> "tagged text files."  
> Diff'ing them meaningfully would require some rigor to
> maintain line structure, etc., but versioning could be done
> internally or externally.
>
> Further, for those daunted by the prospect of embedded
> markup, there exist WYSIWYG editors (LyX, TeXnicCenter among others).

As just mentioned in separate post, .odt files are also 'tagged text files'
(XML) in this case derived from other 'tagged text files' (GML) :-).

I seem to recall, though, that Tex/Latex doesn't let one generate good PDF files
(e.g., crisp printing, copy and paste from the PDF, live contents list links,
etc.)?  Or has than been fixed?

Mike

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Ad missing pages: if these pages are empty, then this may be because of a feature of the PDF filter in OOo, which allows to omit empty pages (you would need to check that in the PDF filter property dialog). If so, then add the Property "IsSkipEmptyPages" to the PDF-creator batch program and set it to .false.


On 28.09.2011 16:24, rvjansen wrote:

As it is, I am entirely unhappy with Open Office as a means for maintaining documentation - I am used to batch oriented, tagged text files that can be diff'ed and versioned, and keep my mind off of formatting issues.

That would be available with OOo: unzip the "odt" file (it is a zip archive) and look at the "content.xml" file, which is an XML file that contains the text. AFAIK from a presentation by Mike, that was how he changed the NetRexx document from the SGML format to the OOo XML format, if I recall correctly.

---

Besides: OOo has a feature built-in that tracks changes. But also, if you have just two versions of the same document you can have OOo to compare them and mark up the differences.

Now, I have to click tables and indexes to update them, need to notice headers and footers in different sections, and for example, in the language definition document I spent nearly half an hour to include the license information (which seems to be a feature of ICU- the need to attribute license and copright into the documentation)- I wanted to add it as an appendix but there was no way I could wedge another appendix between the existing ones and the index. This is when I gave up and added it in front. Why it refuses to number after header 1, it sometimes inserts a line and sometimes not, and generally reacts differently after clicking first somewhere else, is totally beyond me.

These are "classic learning curve" efforts, as OOo is different in some UI compared to Word or other word processors.

As you know how to read German I also enclose an URL to a German documentation, maybe skimming over these URLs may jump-start you here and there to allow you save time in editing the documents yourself:

http://de.OpenOffice.org/doc/howto_2_0/writer/ooo_fuer_studenten.pdf (German)
http://www.physics.ubc.ca/computer/OpenOffice_Creating_large_docs.pdf (English)

In fact, only because the list contains some staunch Open Office fans (both speaking Spanish by the way) I have not given up yet. That moment might come soon though.

Once you get acquainted it becomes easy again.
:)


Good luck!

---rony

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[sorry about the empty post just now]

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*OR*, Robert:

*You* should start to *READ* the manuals available ??? ;-)

Thomas Schneider.
========================================================
Am 28.09.2011 17:18, schrieb Robert Hamilton:

JAT: maybe we should have asked IBM to outsource their stuff for creating manuals.  Maybe not.

BobH

On Wed, Sep 28, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Tom Maynard <[hidden email]> wrote:

On 9/28/2011 9:24 AM, rvjansen wrote:

I am used to batch oriented, tagged text files that can be diff'ed and versioned, and keep my mind off of formatting issues.

At the great peril of initiating a flame war here, I feel compelled to mention Knuth's TeX (and LaTeX) as exactly that: "tagged text files."  Diff'ing them meaningfully would require some rigor to maintain line structure, etc., but versioning could be done internally or externally.

Further, for those daunted by the prospect of embedded markup, there exist WYSIWYG editors (LyX, TeXnicCenter among others).

Just a thought.

Tom.

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Hello Robert, again:

I would advise that you Google *SCRUM*.

SCRUM is an established METHODOLOGY how to AGILE handle projects...

End of advise....

Massa Thomas.
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tAm 28.09.2011 17:51, schrieb Robert Hamilton:

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Hello Mike, *and* all,

I just got an evaluation (and free= COPY of ADOBE X10.

Great!

Probably I will buy after the 27 day I do still have to evaluate

Greetings, Thomas.
===================================================== 28.09.2011 18:26, schrieb Mike Cowlishaw:

 

Ad missing pages: if these pages are empty, then this may be because of a feature of the PDF filter in OOo, which allows to omit empty pages (you would need to check that in the PDF filter property dialog). If so, then add the Property "IsSkipEmptyPages" to the PDF-creator batch program and set it to .false.


On 28.09.2011 16:24, rvjansen wrote:

As it is, I am entirely unhappy with Open Office as a means for maintaining documentation - I am used to batch oriented, tagged text files that can be diff'ed and versioned, and keep my mind off of formatting issues.

That would be available with OOo: unzip the "odt" file (it is a zip archive) and look at the "content.xml" file, which is an XML file that contains the text. AFAIK from a presentation by Mike, that was how he changed the NetRexx document from the SGML format to the OOo XML format, if I recall correctly.

---

Besides: OOo has a feature built-in that tracks changes. But also, if you have just two versions of the same document you can have OOo to compare them and mark up the differences.

Now, I have to click tables and indexes to update them, need to notice headers and footers in different sections, and for example, in the language definition document I spent nearly half an hour to include the license information (which seems to be a feature of ICU- the need to attribute license and copright into the documentation)- I wanted to add it as an appendix but there was no way I could wedge another appendix between the existing ones and the index. This is when I gave up and added it in front. Why it refuses to number after header 1, it sometimes inserts a line and sometimes not, and generally reacts differently after clicking first somewhere else, is totally beyond me.

These are "classic learning curve" efforts, as OOo is different in some UI compared to Word or other word processors.

As you know how to read German I also enclose an URL to a German documentation, maybe skimming over these URLs may jump-start you here and there to allow you save time in editing the documents yourself:

http://de.OpenOffice.org/doc/howto_2_0/writer/ooo_fuer_studenten.pdf (German)
http://www.physics.ubc.ca/computer/OpenOffice_Creating_large_docs.pdf (English)

In fact, only because the list contains some staunch Open Office fans (both speaking Spanish by the way) I have not given up yet. That moment might come soon though.

Once you get acquainted it becomes easy again.
:)


Good luck!

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